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Why 500k?

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Agent Titsaria
EVE Corporation 98582134
#1 - 2013-05-07 18:25:05 UTC
Since when eve is an online comunity of around 500k?

I see people loving the smell of their own farts on a dailly basis bullshiting themselves and others about this number.

Only CCP knows the real amount of actual individual players but if this was 'the price is right' show i'd bet all I have on no more than 20-25k.

EVE is great and all that but some people should get their heads out from that hole in the ground and face the fence.
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#2 - 2013-05-07 18:26:51 UTC
What do you mean nerf highsec?
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#3 - 2013-05-07 18:27:34 UTC
Yes yes, we all know that Eve is full of Alts.


Were all fine with it.

Move along.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Danni stark
#4 - 2013-05-07 18:27:35 UTC
25k players, so you're suggesting the average player owns 20 accounts?

did you actually do the math on that one before posting and stop to consider how stupid it sounds?

Ice Mining Skill Plan.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#5 - 2013-05-07 18:29:04 UTC
Agent Titsaria wrote:
Since when eve is an online comunity of around 500k?
Since, oh, Retribution + China relaunch, approximately.

Quote:
Only CCP knows the real amount of actual individual players but if this was 'the price is right' show i'd bet all I have on no more than 20-25k.
Not even CCP knows, and you'd lose that bet.
Rengerel en Distel
#6 - 2013-05-07 18:29:15 UTC
Danni stark wrote:
25k players, so you're suggesting the average player owns 20 accounts?

did you actually do the math on that one before posting and stop to consider how stupid it sounds?


I would have thought "face the fence" would have been enough to know they didn't consider how stupid their post was before hitting the button.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Laserak
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-05-07 18:31:44 UTC
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
What do you mean nerf highsec?


nerf farts
Awlton Stueen
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-05-07 18:33:03 UTC
I think there are about ~150-200k players who log in on a regular basis, my numbers come from my brain and have no reliable source, but if there are 500k accounts, we can say that a big bunch of them is inactive or double / triple...account.

We constantly have 25-50k players online, I myself have 4 accounts but I usually only use one at a time, so I don't think more than 20 to 30% of them are dual accounts. Which left us with roughly 30k players online. Consider that a few of them play 23/7, but the majority are normal gamer, and only log in for a couple of hours, and not every day.

I'm sure EVE had 25k players back in 2003, but times have changed man.
CompleteFailure
DAWGS Corp.
#9 - 2013-05-07 18:35:47 UTC
So much anger...
Concurssi Mellenar
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-05-07 18:38:50 UTC
I've only ever heard talk of subscriber counts, not accounts.
In The Butterfly Effect video, a phrase that goes something along the lines of "your actions could touch the lives of more than 300000 people in 230 countries". People, not accounts. And that video was made some time ago.
These days, I've heard talk of there being 500000 subscribers. Not accounts.

http://www.edge-online.com/news/eve-online-passes-500000-subscribers/

He who controls the veld, controls the universe.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#11 - 2013-05-07 18:43:49 UTC  |  Edited by: E-2C Hawkeye
Any one that plays sees the server population. Weekends it can reach 50kish. Most times the op is correct ~25k. Initially I thought the 500k number may have been life time subs for EVE. There are a lot of Asians but 450k? on one server? Doubtful.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#12 - 2013-05-07 18:44:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Concurssi Mellenar wrote:
I've only ever heard talk of subscriber counts, not accounts.
In The Butterfly Effect video, a phrase that goes something along the lines of "your actions could touch the lives of more than 300000 people in 230 countries". People, not accounts. And that video was made some time ago.
These days, I've heard talk of there being 500000 subscribers. Not accounts.
Welcome to marketing. The numbers are always accounts, not people. Mainly because there's no reliable way of counting actual people — at best, you can generalise numbers from polling data (which will have a significant self-selection bias among those with more accounts).

E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Any one that plays sees the server population. Weekends it can reach 50kish. Most times the op is correct ~25k.
…except that this would assume that every last player is always online 23.5/7. So no, the OP is ridiculously incorrect.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#13 - 2013-05-07 18:57:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Over 500,000 active accounts between Serenity and Tranquility, and not counting DUST players. The 300,000 number was a few years ago, and did not include Serenity. The numbers on Tranquility have gone up since then.

CCP has already stated they are working to impliment procedures to provide a meaningful number of individual players rather than relying on individual account data, as that metric can be useful.

I think you would be very surprised at how many people only have 1 account, especially in high sec. There is simply less of a need to have a second account available for most normal high sec activities.

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E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#14 - 2013-05-07 18:59:44 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Concurssi Mellenar wrote:
I've only ever heard talk of subscriber counts, not accounts.
In The Butterfly Effect video, a phrase that goes something along the lines of "your actions could touch the lives of more than 300000 people in 230 countries". People, not accounts. And that video was made some time ago.
These days, I've heard talk of there being 500000 subscribers. Not accounts.
Welcome to marketing. The numbers are always accounts, not people. Mainly because there's no reliable way of counting actual people — at best, you can generalise numbers from polling data (which will have a significant self-selection bias among those with more accounts).

E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Any one that plays sees the server population. Weekends it can reach 50kish. Most times the op is correct ~25k.
…except that this would assume that every last player is always online 23.5/7. So no, the OP is ridiculously incorrect.


Even if you take that number at its highest and double it not even taking in account for alts you still fall far short. I have been on all hours of the night on the weekends and I don’t see the magic spike for those who are in different time zones. Unless the population numbers at log in are inaccurate.

Does the server feel heavy populated to you? Most times I wounder with those 25k if half are alts or afk even.

In the end its still just a number. The number means nothing to mean. What matters to me is the feel of the server.

What’s ridiculous is your endless insatiable need to always be correct . Try stepping off your high horse now and then.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#15 - 2013-05-07 19:05:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Concurssi Mellenar wrote:
I've only ever heard talk of subscriber counts, not accounts.
In The Butterfly Effect video, a phrase that goes something along the lines of "your actions could touch the lives of more than 300000 people in 230 countries". People, not accounts. And that video was made some time ago.
These days, I've heard talk of there being 500000 subscribers. Not accounts.
Welcome to marketing. The numbers are always accounts, not people. Mainly because there's no reliable way of counting actual people — at best, you can generalise numbers from polling data (which will have a significant self-selection bias among those with more accounts).

E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Any one that plays sees the server population. Weekends it can reach 50kish. Most times the op is correct ~25k.
…except that this would assume that every last player is always online 23.5/7. So no, the OP is ridiculously incorrect.


Even if you take that number at its highest and double it not even taking in account for alts you still fall far short. I have been on all hours of the night on the weekends and I don’t see the magic spike for those who are in different time zones. Unless the population numbers at log in are inaccurate.

Does the server feel heavy populated to you? Most times I wounder with those 25k if half are alts or afk even.

In the end its still just a number. The number means nothing to mean. What matters to me is the feel of the server.

What’s ridiculous is your endless insatiable need to always be correct . Try stepping off your high horse now and then.


I can't remember the last time when I logged on and the player count has been anywhere near that low.

You know, it really doesn't mean much to point out "an insatiable need to be correct" when that person actually IS correct. Smile

This is the middle of the work day here in the states, so numbers should be pretty low right now. Quick, somebody log in and tell us how many are on... as I'll admit I don't normally log on in one of the slower periods for EvE.

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Forum Clone 77777
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-05-07 19:06:42 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Concurssi Mellenar wrote:
I've only ever heard talk of subscriber counts, not accounts.
In The Butterfly Effect video, a phrase that goes something along the lines of "your actions could touch the lives of more than 300000 people in 230 countries". People, not accounts. And that video was made some time ago.
These days, I've heard talk of there being 500000 subscribers. Not accounts.
Welcome to marketing. The numbers are always accounts, not people. Mainly because there's no reliable way of counting actual people — at best, you can generalise numbers from polling data (which will have a significant self-selection bias among those with more accounts).

E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Any one that plays sees the server population. Weekends it can reach 50kish. Most times the op is correct ~25k.
…except that this would assume that every last player is always online 23.5/7. So no, the OP is ridiculously incorrect.


Even if you take that number at its highest and double it not even taking in account for alts you still fall far short. I have been on all hours of the night on the weekends and I don’t see the magic spike for those who are in different time zones. Unless the population numbers at log in are inaccurate.

Does the server feel heavy populated to you? Most times I wounder with those 25k if half are alts or afk even.

In the end its still just a number. The number means nothing to mean. What matters to me is the feel of the server.

What’s ridiculous is your endless insatiable need to always be correct . Try stepping off your high horse now and then.


You feel the universe is dead? Well, maybe where you are, but then again, I can also go to somewhere in space where Id be the only one around for 20 jumps. I can also go to a place where hundreds of ships fly past me every second. Its all about where you are, the most remote corner of null wont have the same activity as Jita, obviously.
Din Chao
#17 - 2013-05-07 19:07:14 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Any one that plays sees the server population. Weekends it can reach 50kish. Most times the op is correct ~25k. Initially I thought the 500k number may have been life time subs for EVE. There are a lot of Asians but 450k? on one server? Doubtful.

Shocked

...incredible...
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#18 - 2013-05-07 19:10:42 UTC
Din Chao wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Any one that plays sees the server population. Weekends it can reach 50kish. Most times the op is correct ~25k. Initially I thought the 500k number may have been life time subs for EVE. There are a lot of Asians but 450k? on one server? Doubtful.

Shocked

...incredible...

Indeed. Smile

It would be interesting to have this number, even for Tranquility alone. It's a pretty safe bet that the life time number of subscriptions would be in the 10's of millions.

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-05-07 19:12:05 UTC
People have called out the "subscriber" bs numerous times. Nothing earth-shattering here.

As to the actual number of actual people? You can at best make a "reasonable bounds" estimation that it should fall between. Personally, I can't be assed because I don't care enough to put much real thought or effort into it.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#20 - 2013-05-07 19:12:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:


Does the server feel heavy populated to you? Most times I wounder with those 25k if half are alts or afk even.

In the end its still just a number. The number means nothing to mean. What matters to me is the feel of the server.


Yea, to hell with empirical evidence, how does a server of video game that represents 7000 solar systems FEEL, that's a much better way to judge things. Just like my ex-wife use to say "I don't care about the facts, i care about how I FEEL"......

Quote:

What’s ridiculous is your endless insatiable need to always be correct . Try stepping off your high horse now and then.


Yea, Tippia, why don't you let go of all the "fact", and "evidence" and "reason" BS you keep spouting and get with the real (E-2C Hawkeye) plan and just tell us what FEELS right to you? Let your self be wrong all the time like hawkeye, not having to think is SO damn liberating it ain't even funny!


(And no, I'm not going to reimburse any exploded sarcasm meters guys, since CCP wants to nerf my magic moon goo spigot that CCP hands out to everyone who lives in null simply for living in null)
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