Warfare & Tactics

I posted this as a response to another forum thread, but I feel like it deserves its own thread... its a wall of text and kind of half chewed ideas but I hope people see where I am going with this......

*puts on flame suite and hateraid* *edited to not be so wall of texty*


As a result, I have some decent ideas on how to make plexes more "fighty" and less "flighty"

1.) Give bonuses for LP based on the number of pilots in a plex, instead of splitting it add a multiplier bonus to it. This mechanic has worked in many other RvR games, to encourages pilots/players to fly together, instead of selfishly trying to take plexes solo in stabbed cloak ships. Big fleets sitting, draw big fights.

2.) If a fight of any kind goes down in a plex, ADD to the lp that the plex is worth until its taken.. This encourages the losers of a fight to reship, and also again gives interest to even solo plexers, because the risk of staying and fighting now has a higher reward....

3.) Ditch the timmer system and use a bar. It starts in the middle and goes either left or right. The more people in the plex of a specific faction the faster it goes. DO NOT STOP THE BAR IF THERE IS A FIGHT! If no one is in the plex, the bar starts to go back to the neutral middle area.

3.) Ditch the dumb ass tier system, and instead transfer its bonuses to systems that have been captured. Go back to decreasing prices for LP, but put the LP stores in low sec, and base the LP bonuses soloy in the systems that have been taken and upgraded.... base the bonuses of course on the upgrade level of the system. This creates value in systems and gives corps/alliances invested interest in keeping and holding a system. It also will balance the market because things like navy drakes and CNRs will need to be transported in and out of low sec.. making their prices valuable again (aside from the ones coming from high sec) You might have to increase the amount of LP it takes to upgrade systems as a result.

4.) Stop the "Alt Snowballing effect" that happens when one side starts winning, all the plexers or others just join that side because its "easy isk". Something like shorter defensive timers, or more LP from plexes for the sides that are loosing, will cause the alts to "balance" themselves, because it will no longer be as profitable to jump sides as soon as you think the other side has easier offensive plexing, or because they have a higher tier system.

5.) Everyone should be able to make ISK in FW, however FW is kind of like Null "lite" and as a result the mechanics should be based kind of around its "mini sov" system. Corps and alliances that decide they want to take and hold a handful of systems should be rewarded for doing so.


Right now as it stands, the plexers and pvpers have separated mindsets..... PvPers dont want to wait in plexes for 15 minutes in hope of a fight, and plexers don't want to fight. There needs to be work done to bring those two together.

Please discuss how "exploitable" they are and is it worse then our current mechanics?

The issue I see with all the "small changes" people have thought about XG, is that yeah it kills the farming but it also makes the "sov grind" even more "grindy".


XG, you have been around a while, and as we all know you have this umm.. way with words ;) What would you prepose?

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Also on that note, I dont think so... There is no where in eve that a 5d old player can make as much isk as in FW, which also means 1d old alts can do it.... Hmm... run lvl 1-3s... or just fit up a ship with 2 mods and plex all day..... yeah Ill take the plexing all day.. at the end of it all the risk is far less then even in missions.

The mechanics need to be changed so that if you want to make ISK here you have to fight for it... Hell why do you think I got my alliance to poke EHA, do you think I thought we could take EHA? Do you think I thought it was a good idea? NO! We just wanted to get some freaking fights, we knew if we poked Eha, someone would come!

So here we are litterally loosing a **** ton of isk a day (having tons of fun doing it but sitll), and eveyone else in Cal Mil is just plexing their hearts out and making all the ISK....

As it stands there is no real benefit for alliances/corps to hold systems accept for the odd chance that someone wants some pew pew. The station bonuses that you get most of FW does not care about, unless they have alts doing something there. People are really only here for the ISK, and even if you nerf it to make the "farmers" go away. People are not really going to care about what FW is suppose to be about, and will just start doing random roams around systems.....

Ahh Dean, as always your presence anywhere is "lovely"... So you know this because you guys got your dude in CCP right? ;);):)



If we yell CCP will respond... its just a matter of getting enough voices to care....

I would add (this is me beating a dead horse) that only FW members can enter plexes. More comments probably when I finish reading your wall of text (I mean that in a good way, but I'm at work right now).

I agree with timer roll backs completely...

However point 2 concerns me.. I agree that it needs to be done, but then wont we just see cloaky stabbed out cruisers, or the plex farmers just getting together in 3 or 4 frigs and plexing out the mediums?

XG, as we both know Mediums are really the only plexes worth value when you are really trying to take or defend a system. He who controls the mediums in a system will ultimately be able to take or defend a system.



Which is why I feel like LP should scale with the number of friendly pilots in the plex. This means plexing only really becomes profitable if a fleet does it.... and combined with a "ramping" type LP system based on fighting there... then that means the most profitable way of earning LP would be to get in a fleet and go fight other fleets in plexes.

Deen,

I bet you are just a joy to fly with, you seem very cynical. You also make the mistake of thinking that I have not been around for the full time that factional warfare has been implemented. I have been playing eve for almost 9 years now. I know how **** works, most likely better then you. I have came and seen far many more busted game mechanics get fixed when people started bitching on the forums, then you most likely have even experienced.

So instead of coming in here and being well.. Deen... why not contribute to the conversation or kindly GTFO. I really think XG could teach you a few things in the way of how to use your words.

CCP IS looking at FW mechanics, just as they look at all their mechanics. They however like all things have to wait for player feed back to be generated in masses, and as well as their "numbers" to be logged and crunched.

Its funny how you say they aren't even looking at fixing it anymore, but your own corp mate just above you says they made a promise at fanfest..... Your discouragement serves no purpose but to harm yourself at the end of the day.


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Removed question to XG because he answered it above

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You'll never get rid of pure farmers, but at some point the pendulum will shift just enough to make them tolerable. The two proposed changes may not be enough, but they are clearly the next two steps CCP ought to take (IMO).

I can concur with you on a couple notes, that I guess the farmer wont just be able to run around in his atron for 32834353242 hours on end and get 325774523754854 lp, so I suppose that would indeed be a nice fix.


Now lets talk about the smalls and novices, at the current rate of spawns, as well as the amount that each one contributes towards the system capture or defense. You can ignore almost all of the smalls and novices and still be able to plex the system to 100 or down to 0.

Sure you might need to capture a small or a novice here and there to make things a little faster, but if you are looking to take or defend a system you can ALMOST completely ignore novices and smalls. Not because of the time it takes to run them, but because of the busted spawn rates.

It takes what 4 novices or 2/3 smalls to equal out what a single medium does?

I stand by the fact that if you can control the mediums in a system, you can control the system, maybe not as fast as you would like, but at the end of the day you will win the "grind"

No offence intended, but this makes no sense. Smalls and novices take less time to run, spawn identically to Medium plexes, and give the same % change to system contested status. if anything, Mediums don't matter as long as you control the small's and novices?