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CCPs Miners are "Clay Pidgeons" mentality

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Haulie Berry
#21 - 2013-05-07 04:18:28 UTC
Fluffy Sheep wrote:
Quote:
It's not a bug; it's a feature. Your #1 combat strategy is, by design, to avoid combat. It's also not fun fighting in a freighter. It's not supposed to be.


So that's why the mining barges capable of mining any significant amount of ore to make a basic living from & replace the occasional expensive losses are so nimble...

Like telling a sloth it should use it's natural ability to run if danger appears? Lol


If you're not trying to run away until they land on grid, it isn't the ship that's the problem.
Danni stark
#22 - 2013-05-07 08:16:46 UTC
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
THIS... is why miners stay in HS and will never leave... thank you for making my point...


no it isn't.

it's because there's no reward for mining in null sec, currently.
Krax As
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-05-07 10:02:47 UTC
hm
first of all , like others said it before, time and time again: whats fun for you and maybe others

with this idea in mind, lets take a look at the numbers: according to ccp, about 75% of people live in highsec, the rest in 0.0 and lowsec.

so, about 75% clearly dont enjoy 0.0 or lowsec as much as they do highsec. why is that ?

I dont´t know how many of those 75% are miners or pure alts of null- and low-dwellers, but it doesnt really matter.

I think it might be that eve is the most complete sandbox there is. of course it got flaws and issues but for some they see it as exactly that. and for them, pvp and constant fear of being hunted, killed or ganked, to get mangeld in too much politics and metagaming trash just aint too much fun. so they try to keep away from it as far as possible, hence they stay in highsec.

funny as it seems to some, even a few isk-oriented players don´t look at eve at "maximizing isk/h "..

for a lot of people eve is a game that gives them the possibility to play with pixel spaceships. and the idea of losing and having to get to buy all barges and fittings and all that crap over and over again just to barely be making more isk than anyone else is just not worth it.

and no matter how often people state that "highsec ganking" is so common and 0.0 is actually safer... its not.

and to the point that "lets change mining so fighting in a barge is fun"... thats like saying "give me a battleship with additional slots to fit some strip miners onto it in case i get bored in my gatecamps" or whatnot.

there ships in the game that are supposed to be more or less helpless when attacked. industrials, freighters, blockade runners. they neeed to GET THE HELL AWAY from the threat. not best it. some people just play this game to avoid conflict, make friends, chat whatever.

could it be that fact there are people in the game who rather mine / build, hell even haul stuff around rather than to fight.
some would say they miss out on a lot, and I tend to agree, but there are days or even months I dont want the rush and stick to mining. or doing PI for hours.






Selene Nask
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-05-07 12:00:21 UTC
I've had a lot of fun mining in low-sec.

Go in with a tanky barge.


Have an alt or friends tag a long and hang around cloaked

Mine 'La la la la." Whistle while I work,

In a busy system it never seems to take long for someone to see 'miner! omg today is my lucky day!' and come to pew pew.

Oh look, ha ha. More ships

Attacker/s die.

La la la

Fun.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#25 - 2013-05-07 12:36:34 UTC
Selene Nask wrote:
I've had a lot of fun mining in low-sec.




Fun maybe, but you are probably broke.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Velicitia
XS Tech
#26 - 2013-05-07 13:20:06 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Selene Nask wrote:
I've had a lot of fun mining in low-sec.




Fun maybe, but you are probably broke.


sounds more like Selene is the bait.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Mhax Arthie
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-05-07 13:40:07 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
They're not supposed to be fun in combat. It's a mining ship. If you find yourself in combat, the experience is supposed to be roughly akin to dropping the soap in a prison shower.

It's not a bug; it's a feature. Your #1 combat strategy is, by design, to avoid combat. It's also not fun fighting in a freighter. It's not supposed to be.

Eve is not designed to concern itself with making sure every experience is equitably enjoyable for all parties involved. It's specifically designed to allow for the victimization of some players at the hands of others which, generally speaking, isn't a barrel of laughs for the victim in question.

In my second day of EVE trial I lost my only ship, the hard earned Catalyst. At that time it was my only ship, a dream ship. You know who poped it? A fukin Iteron 5!!! It's not a freighter, but still...

And by the way, when you see a Venture in a belt, align and warm up the engines. Even in hi sec.
Selene Nask
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-05-07 14:38:32 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Selene Nask wrote:
I've had a lot of fun mining in low-sec.




Fun maybe, but you are probably broke.



Nope. Haven't even lost my mining barge yet when doing it.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#29 - 2013-05-07 14:40:54 UTC
Krax As wrote:
hm
first of all , like others said it before, time and time again: whats fun for you and maybe others

with this idea in mind, lets take a look at the numbers: according to ccp, about 75% of people live in highsec, the rest in 0.0 and lowsec.


CCP has never released information implying anything like that.

The survey you're talking about showed that around 75-80% of Characters lived in HS. It said nothing of Accounts, let alone People, because that would be effectively impossible to count without sending mails to every account. (Most of the Characters I own live in HS full time. I consider myself to live in LS/0.0, depending on deployment.)

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#30 - 2013-05-07 15:11:32 UTC
It will b interesting to see how the population rebalances if & when it becomes remotely worthwhile to conduct industry, mining, etc in 0.0

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#31 - 2013-05-07 15:45:36 UTC
Mining could never be fun because pvp would become hello kitty online then.

But if by mining in LS-null you get income 2x or 3x better than HS some nullsec players might move their mining alts to null. But currently differences between mining in null and HS are like 1,2x or so. That is not motivating enough. We'll see after odyssey changes.
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#32 - 2013-05-07 16:18:18 UTC
I couldn't make out what you were trying to say at first but I understand now. I won't be taking the same medication as you. Lol

I don't think there will be that much change from now as regards ore mining and industry. But I think the situation with ice is going to become rather........interesting. Blink

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#33 - 2013-05-07 16:40:50 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
Ok, I don't know if this is the case internally or not, but it seems to be the way alot fo people take it and what alot of people seem to think is the reason, plot, conspiracy, etc.

SO, why don't all the HS miners go, WOW, Low-Sec Ore is better (run to low-sec) and mine, and then say... WOW, Null-Sec Ore is better (and run to null-sec) and mine, and then say WOW!!!... WH Ore is better OMG, and move into WHs and mine...?


Because they're not. The grav sites in 0.0 actually have a lower ISK/m^3 value than some of the hi-sec ores.

This may seem incredible to you, but it's true.

That's what's getting fixed.

And another thing: no one wnats to "drive" you into 0.0. In fact the people in 0.0 want you to stay the hell in hi-sec. Now that their ore is actually worth mining (it's going to be a whole 24% better than yours now!) they want you to keep your dirty hands off their ore because they want it all to themselves.

tl;dr: 0.0 mining was actually worth less than hisec, now it's going to be worth a little more. You can stay right where you are and keep mining.


All good now?

You know the easiest way to keep High Sec dwellers from thinking about moving to Null? Buff High Sec.

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Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#34 - 2013-05-07 17:08:36 UTC
I don't follow why some here think I am saying buff barges or change ships or combat to make combat in mining ships fun... didn't say that at all or anything close... but for the record:

I AM NOT SAYING THEY SHOULD CHANGE ANYTHING... I am saying that the reason people don't like combat in mining ships on the barge/exhumer side is simply: it's not fun... I am sure it's great fun for the gankers... and if that is what people think it should be well fine... I am not saying it's wrong or whatever... but it is a simple fact that for miner's mining, pew pew is about as fun as acid enema.

Ok, now that the mouth breathers have been educated.

It will be interesting to see what comes next, and ice def will be a factor but I don't plan on doing much of that - no real need personally for it and I have other plans instead for ISKcome.

Haulie Berry
#35 - 2013-05-07 17:43:25 UTC
Quote:
I AM NOT SAYING THEY SHOULD CHANGE ANYTHING... I am saying that the reason people don't like combat in mining ships on the barge/exhumer side is simply: it's not fun... I am sure it's great fun for the gankers...


So you started a new thread to state something blindingly ******* obvious in a rambling, incoherent fashion.

Small wonder you're a miner.
Danni stark
#36 - 2013-05-07 18:05:10 UTC
combat in a ship not designed for combat isn't fun?

**** me, really?
Mra Rednu
Vanishing Point.
#37 - 2013-05-07 19:21:42 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
"alot" isn't a word. You probably meant "a lot" (see how it's two (2) words?), which is kinda ****-poor grammar anyway.

And I didn't read your Wall of Text beyond that first sentence. Something about mining, I'm guessing.



* kind of
Skorpynekomimi
#38 - 2013-05-07 20:08:18 UTC
No.

Highsec miners mine in highsec because lowsec ores aren't worth the risk of being blown up. Miners in lowsec are a target as soon as they appear on D-scan. Anything that can permatank a set of T2 drones can just hold you and blow you to bits at will.
The ores are worth less than the highsec ores per m3 ANYWAY, so nobody bothers. Easier to just grind Scordite in highsec.

Economic PVP

Bloody Wench
#39 - 2013-05-08 07:54:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloody Wench
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
"alot" isn't a word. You probably meant "a lot" (see how it's two (2) words?), which is kinda ****-poor grammar anyway.

And I didn't read your Wall of Text beyond that first sentence. Something about mining, I'm guessing.


A LOT... pardon my typo... I was speed typing on battery in a parked car waiting on someone... but I am sure your perfect, so I consider you comment a true condemnation of my ability, education and mind... I will go die now, I'M NOT WORTHY!!!!... OMG!!!!... GREAT MAKER, FORGIVE ME!!!!

Roll



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Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
New Eden Tech Support
#40 - 2013-05-08 12:33:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
They're not supposed to be fun in combat. It's a mining ship. If you find yourself in combat, the experience is supposed to be roughly akin to dropping the soap in a prison shower.

It's not a bug; it's a feature. Your #1 combat strategy is, by design, to avoid combat. It's also not fun fighting in a freighter. It's not supposed to be.

Eve is not designed to concern itself with making sure every experience is equitably enjoyable for all parties involved. It's specifically designed to allow for the victimization of some players at the hands of others which, generally speaking, isn't a barrel of laughs for the victim in question.


THIS... is why miners stay in HS and will never leave... thank you for making my point...


If miners were not in low/null-space there would be no need to buff the ore stats of said space. The 24% in mining yield will convince some people that the extra risk is worth the effort ... and as long as their effort increase stays below 124% of their previous output... I submit that it WILL be worth it and that miners WILL ...mine.

*edit - that also equals more lulz and salvage opportunities so I would imagine things will be more fun all around. assuming you have a current insurance policy Big smile