Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Give us special missions we can freely decline every 3 normal missions where you would ask us to use Logi, scrams a certain ship or a certain kind of ammo. There already are missions like this in tutorials so it IS possible and wouldn't take that much development.

Basically:

1) Improve NPC AI in all missions
2) Give us some bonus missions with
- NPC companions that we can rep/create logi chains with/boost
- NPC enemies that require a certain trick to kill

Friday night bump.

Don't know if this was already proposed (didn't read the whole thread), but one idea would be to actually put PvP inside PvE. Maybe create some special wormhole thing which people could fly into. It would then spew you out into an area where PvE is being conducted, and you would essentially be like an NPC rat to the player doing the PvE. Players could attack players with impunity, of course (no Concord intervention).

The system could be set up to examine your ship and throw you into an appropriate area, i.e. if you've got some blinged-out battleship you wouldn't be thrown into some guy's level 1 mission.

An alternative would be that you are only allowed to fly your CAPSULE into the special wormhole thingy. It would then stick you into the appropriate NPC rat ship when it spit you out on the other side, complete with appropriate modules. My guess is, lots of folks would be interested in doing this sort of thing.

This could all be summed up as "Yo dog, I heard you like PvP, so I put PvP in your PvE so you could...."

All of that is true, but I want to clarify the main point. A pilot who is engaged in the midst of a mission will be at a severe disadvantage. That's not new and not going to change. Remember, the idea isn't necessarily to promote pvp within missions (that's what FW is for); the idea is make PVE ship fittings and PVP ship fittings more closely match. If a ninja looter shows up to bait, or a mission leads to lowsec and they meet on a gate, or their corp is at war, this would give the missioner a choice to engage. Currently, their choices are run or die.

Once this choice is available, a pile of lowsec play becomes possible. Solo mission runners would be able to isk efficiently in lowsec, without risking billions of isk in shiny ships, and groups or corps could even form up. Picture a lowsec roam finding a trio of mission runners heading home (say, two BC and a logi) and instead of safe-ing up, the missioners turn and battle. Miner escorts can run anomalies or missions while waiting, and leap into action when hostiles show up instead of sitting around bored to death while other people isk. Not everyone WILL do this of course, but without the option to do so, lowsec will remain dead except for the handful of pirates and ninja probers currently there. Once this gap is closed, a revamp of lowsec gameplay can be realistically tackled.

I agree with these suggestions and I personally think some missions should require 3-5 people to complete (they could even throw in a warning in the mission description so all the solo-ers wont die painful deaths). After all EVE is an MMO.

Long time no bump.

Post-Odyssey bump.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, and you bring up a good point I hadn't considered.

The change is not intended to make missions PVP style (although some of that is required), but simply to make PVP FITTED SHIPS viable mission runners. Emphasis on viable. A PVE specialized ship would still be optimal, and theres no way to change that because people will discover what optimal is and adapt to it. There are two goals that I hope to accomplish with this change: to make missions more fun (face it, they are boring and predictable; and they are not a challenge), and more importantly, to pave the way for changes to low and/or nullsec. Changes that, I hope, would allow PVE people to live there. EVE is a pvp game- whether you're pew pewing, competing on the market, or dodging people that are hunting you while you make piles of isk, everything in EVE involves dealing with other players trying to achieve their own goals at your expense. This is the first change in what I hope will be a world-opening revamp of lowsec, turning it into a space with a robust community (PVE and PVP) living there, instead of the handful of pirates circle jerking to each other's killboards that it's limited to now. (see this thread for a discussion of this).

I don't want to see missions moved away from a PVE focus, or from a solo focus. These are important gameplay areas that need to be preserved. Want I want is simply to see the gap between PVE fittings and PVP ship fittings become smaller. The gameplay that is opened up by this change is immense, for both PVE and PVP players, and that's what it's meant for. As a gateway to greater things. Also, missions are boring, and due for an overhaul anyway. This is the ideal time to get started.


PS. I'm going to be unsubbed for a while due to RL. If someone would bump this thread once a week or so for the rest of the month I'd appreciate it.

1. You are tyhing down the servers with missions now generating 2 or more times the amount of deadspace. Your rats exists in that space because that is where ccp is staging them. For them to leave they need a new deadspace. Belts rats have this feature becasue thier code says if player A is taking too long to kill them, go to belt n+1. They have code to hit belts only.

The answer is not probing them down to not have more deadspace. If zor was to leave the mission room and hide out somewhere else in system you are now probing down every raven in system and hitting each contact. There is already a careeer in eve that does this...its called being a vulture/ninjya loot and salvager. Its already fun dealing with them. having 5 people land in your deadspace over times and saying "oops, sorry, I am looking for my run away zor" would be needlessly annoying.


2. Exists in game already. Lots of mssions can be blitzed by the wise choice of killing only certian rats and or raiding certian buildings. I can do blockade in minutes flat for example. I only hit trigger rats, speed tank the rest of the ships until I get the final trigger rat and pop him then leave. This teaches 2 things. To counter damps you have to close to where you cna actually target a ship. And bring the right tool for the job. Hac/ t3//pve spec CS/BC can speed tank this mission and close to kill faster. A bs moving slow as hell a poor choice against damps...its a no crapper they take forever to run this mission.



3. Officer spawns already try to run away. If you take too long to kill them they fly off and disappear. And why would loss of bounty and use of tags be a good thing? They already drop tags...and they can be worthless. I have an officer tag from an officer kill. I guess no love for raysere....the tag i got from him is worth crap isk.

Let's let mining and industry be relaxing, if your gonna shoot something it should be a little less relaxing than mining a rock. As for non soloable missions perhaps lvl 5s can be moved.to hi sec: without a carrier it requires teamwork