Player Features and Ideas Discussion

one word : subscription

problem appears, when you become that 10 year vet and you discover that you kill new players exactly the same as 9 years earlier (besides experience)

lot of people get discouraged by basic fact, whaat my BS isn't going to get any stronger(except officer mods that you don't take to pvp ), I have nothing to fly for. Maybe I don't want new specialised ship, because i don't like that specialisation, i wan't to fly my BS, but get somewhere with it, became more powerfull.

Get a titan

It's largely because people at CCP are competent game designers and are designing features for EVE and not WoW. Since EVE is a player centric sandbox and character progression is real time based, the bigger is better -approach would be suicidal. It would mean most of the content and ships in the game would be largely useless, variation in ships and fits used would be severely reduced, new players would have no real chance to compete against older players and that gap would widen constantly. In WoW such things aren't important, since the game is designed specifically to work with that, which in turn allows it to mitigate/ignore the harm. EVE's core design on the other hand makes it very incompatible with a similar approach.

The type of progression you describe is largely superficial anyway. It's mainly just inflation of numbers and a new cycle of grind where the end result is close to where you started from, since everyone got boosted. Naturally there will be some shakeups in how things work, but that happens in every MMO and EVE isn't an exception. The WoW design is meant for the people who have an obsession in seeing the numbers on their character sheet grow bigger and get new gear with better stats, so they can in turn grind the new content to get higher stats and new gear. That isn't real progress. It's you running in the hamster wheel and thinking you've traveled a great distance, since you've done so much running. If you enjoy that, that's fine, but I'd rather not have to deal with that crap in EVE.

CCP is too lazy to design real endgame content, so they take blobbing and call it "emergent" content.

Ever wondered why the average player retention time is 6 months? Roughly how long it takes to get into a BS with passable skill.

Well i see no harm in fact that older player maybe won't use that weaker cheaper mark 1 BS, thus making them partially barren.

maybe you should just quit, you don't seem to 'get' eve

thanks in advance

I think you shoud give EVE a try.... get into a corp... get involved into the game.

The point is not what ship you fly, but the type of thing you do with it. There is allot of content that I bet you haven't tried yet.

Living in WH, Runing incursions, Fighting in 0.0, living in low-sec....

true story -- I fly logistics cruisers and (from time to time) T1 hero tackle.

Haven't touched a BS in forever (since I ground missions), because keeping people alive* = more fun for me.


* well, trying to anyway


EDIT -- big hint here.

RPG = Role Playing Game.

At its core, an RPG is meant to immerse you in your character and you play their role as best you can. I'm going to assume you're pretty young, as you seem to feel that the WOW-style "on rails" game is the core of an RPG (you're wrong).

RPGs of old (e.g. DnD) were built around the story of the characters. Sure, you had the NPC quests and other BS that the GM would take you on, but more importantly than that was developing the story that surrounded your characters...

WOW (and clones) do very little to give you the "RPG" feel. EVE is the only MMORPG that I can think of in recent times that has "gone back" to the "character stories are what matter" style of RPG.

Another game had a history of a pvp-centric world with escalating player ability, and regretfully, it proved to be in very bad form. Ultima Online would allow your characters skills and equipment to get stronger and stronger (power creep), but also allowed free-for-all pvp.

Instead of removing the power creep, they removed the pvp-centric focus of the game. Many older players will point to statistics showing that as the years went on, while UO is still around, it has never reached the numbers before that change. No matter the expansions added, etc.

Lets go back to World of Warcraft, your other example. Blizzard recently had a round table to figure out how to bring players back. Despite their expansions and new purple gear and stronger and stronger foes, they are losing numbers at a considerable rate. Mainly because that non-pvp, gear-driven gametype is very common. We've got Star Trek Online, and Star Wars the Old Republic, and a plethora of other startups and options all driven and centered on letting that player become Uber.

Ever try to pvp in WoW or STO at a level lower than max? Your either overrun by twinks, or there's no fight to be had.



So I'm not arguing that the gear-driven gameplay isn't popular. I'm arguing that it doesn't sustain a playerbase. In EvE, there is no cap to your level. EvE is pvp focused, so every ship and module must balance to every other.

And the proof is in the statistics. Whereas WoW is losing subscribers daily, and even the new games are already on their way down, EvE is gaining. (By the way, don't forget to read up on how WoW-China manages to sell new 'account cards' to their current playerbase in order to add another month to their game time, which falsified their number of 'accounts' by a considerable amount). Our paying subscriber base is growing.

You may leave this game, bored with what it has to offer. But the chances are, you'll be back. Because there isn't another game that levels the playing field and doesn't feel like a cheap grind in the end.

I mean, as an rhetorical question, how many level 90's do you have in WoW?