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Col O'Nells
Freedom Garuda
#21 - 2013-05-05 13:50:25 UTC
woooo....cool, then i will wait until the end of the month Big smile i will wait ur setup Akita T. thanks alot Big smile
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#22 - 2013-05-05 14:08:41 UTC
Col O'Nells wrote:
woooo....cool, then i will wait until the end of the month Big smile i will wait ur setup Akita T. thanks alot Big smile

Some of the mobile versions came out last month, but NVIDIA has not yet announced a release date for the desktop versions yet.
It's possible they MIGHT start to come out this month, but it could be next month, or even just in July.
Also, mid-range cards usually come out at least a month, sometimes much longer after the flagship products, so if you're a bit unlucky, it could be until August or even September before the 750s come out.
Hrothgar Nilsson
#23 - 2013-05-05 15:24:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Hrothgar Nilsson
4GB RAM seems like an awfully small amount. Why not go at least 8GB?

This config is exactly $600, NewEgg prices.

G.Skill Ripjaws 2x4GB: $65
Intel i5 3570-K: $220
ASUS P8Z77-V: $195
EVGA 01G-P4-2650-KR GeForce GTX 650 1GB: $120

I'm assuming as mobo, CPU, GFX, and RAM are the only components you listed, you'll be re-using your hard drive, case, optical drive, and power supply from a previous build.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#24 - 2013-05-05 20:07:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
I'm assuming as mobo, CPU, GFX, and RAM are the only components you listed, you'll be re-using your hard drive, case, optical drive, and power supply from a previous build.

From what I understand, he needs a brand new box within that budget (so only peripherals/monitor excluded), but he said a 500GB HDD would be enough.
Rain6638
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2013-05-06 08:03:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6638
I think a Dell from Wal-mart with an upgraded graphics card is a good idea. The suggestion is from another thread, and I agree with it in your case as well.

my first rig that ran 6637, 6638, and 6639 was a Dell monitor and tower combo from Walmart, with an upgraded power supply and a 5770

this was in 2009, and that card can still handle three clients at full res and settings (minus AA). it is also still sold as an option in Mac Pros. it has triple monitor capability (separate or linked in Eyefinity).

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jason hill
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#26 - 2013-05-06 14:08:48 UTC
you seem to be forgetting one important thing in your build setup...the power supply and cooling ... you might want to investigate how much power you will need .

theres no point in spending all that money on cpu,memory, graphics ect ..if you dont factor in the correct power requirements.I`m also guessing that where you live is a rather warm place ...so dont forget to factor in fans and ventilation ... a quick suggestion may be to look at water cooling your rig as an idea to keep the temperature down ... saves on the cost of your CPU melting your main board.


just a suggestion .

a few extra dollars spent on the little things will save a world of pain in the medium term ...also you might want to factor in how long you want your rig to be up to date and current ....work on the assumption that in three years you will need to start thinking of upgrading /replacing parts


cost / versus reward

its all about the money baby Big smileBear
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#27 - 2013-05-07 00:52:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
jason hill wrote:
you seem to be forgetting one important thing in your build setup...the power supply and cooling ... you might want to investigate how much power you will need

Quick TDP check... i5 3330 =77W, stock GTX 650 =65W, then all together RAM, HDD, optical drive, mobo, fans, total probably close to 120W tops, so a grand total of maybe pushing 270W at peak power consumption.
Most of the time it will probably hover at much less.

Even with a hefty overprovisioning for nominal overclocking and accounting for power supply natural wear, a bog-standard 430-450W PSU will do more than fine.
He could go for a 550W PSU, but that would still be a bit overkill even if he later on gets a noticeably more powerful GPU.

A more than decent PSU with all the useful bells and whistles in either range should cost around 60$, maybe 70$ tops.
However, most 450W PSUs that come included in affordable but perfectly functional cases will suffice (and also, with the cheaper case included, will usually cost less than just the more expensive PSUs without a case).
Col O'Nells
Freedom Garuda
#28 - 2013-05-07 02:44:05 UTC
Yupe, i need a new box, cos my current computer its iMac and its crap for games....Btw im using my computer inside my room with air conditioner on, so i hope it can help to cooling a bit.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#29 - 2013-05-07 10:23:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Did you have an old PC, or did you use a laptop before ? Or do you want to gift your old PC away ?
Do you have any components (case, HDD, optical drive) that you can or would want to reuse from your previous PC ?
What are the specs on the components you might reuse ?
How well ventilated is the previous case ? How cold do you keep your room at ? How expensive is electricity in your area ?
Col O'Nells
Freedom Garuda
#30 - 2013-05-07 11:20:43 UTC
i dont have any PC or laptop.....around 20 degree Celcius i think....cos i set to 20 degree, and its so hot outside around 34-36 degree celcius. and humid.

Electricity not sure...i need to check my bill first....
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#31 - 2013-05-08 06:19:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Oh, so absolutely no reuse of anything whatsoever. Hmm. Might need to downgrade more stuff to match the budget. Still just an orientative ballpark before the new CPUs/GPUs show up for sale sooner or later anyway.

Just for reference's sake, assuming a 100W power use difference between two setups, at 3 hours a day on average used at that differential (i.e. actively gaming at or near max CPU/GPU usage levels, not just standing idle, where most setups tend to consume similar low power levels), that's ~110 kWh / year extra consumed (call it 100 kWh for simplicity's sake), which could cost anywhere between under 10 USD to over 50 USD extra per year because of it, depending on kWh cost in your area (assuming "borderline reasonable" probable electricity prices between 10 to 50 cents per kWh).
Larger power differences and/or longer full usage time averages would mean additional costs.
Col O'Nells
Freedom Garuda
#32 - 2013-05-08 14:25:28 UTC
If i bought in june...them my budget increase to 700. And if i bought on july and so on then my budget up to 800 top.

But i dont wanna spend more then 800 for box Big smile
Col O'Nells
Freedom Garuda
#33 - 2013-05-08 14:28:29 UTC
Because in 3 or 4 years im gonna upgrade anyway.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2013-05-08 19:01:47 UTC
Rain6638 wrote:
I think a Dell from Wal-mart with an upgraded graphics card is a good idea. The suggestion is from another thread, and I agree with it in your case as well.

my first rig that ran 6637, 6638, and 6639 was a Dell monitor and tower combo from Walmart, with an upgraded power supply and a 5770

this was in 2009, and that card can still handle three clients at full res and settings (minus AA). it is also still sold as an option in Mac Pros. it has triple monitor capability (separate or linked in Eyefinity).

Like Rain said, buy something like this: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=DX4870-UB318-FB-R&cat=SYS or this: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=INSPIRON-660-I530-R&cat=SYS Then replace power supply and install video card of your choice.

Power supply in 60-100 dollar range. Graphics card in 80-160 dollar range. You will be set for a while.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Col O'Nells
Freedom Garuda
#35 - 2013-05-15 04:09:27 UTC
@Akita T, have u finish design it? thx alot
Hrothgar Nilsson
#36 - 2013-05-15 04:42:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Hrothgar Nilsson
Rain6638 wrote:
I think a Dell from Wal-mart with an upgraded graphics card is a good idea. The suggestion is from another thread, and I agree with it in your case as well.

I've never trusted the big name manufacturers to use quality components in building their machines.

They source all their components from low-bid contractors.

I've opted the last 10 years or so to build my own PCs so I can control the quality of the components that are going into it. Pick the cream of the crop with the highest quality, best reviews, and best warranties/replacement on components.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2013-05-15 05:39:51 UTC
know what I think is a bad idea? get a bunch of expensive, high-performance parts and cram them into a box.

screw it; i'm showing you my $2000 minmatar build

http://i.imgur.com/oS8FIq2.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/1ZUQS2D.jpg

needs more cooling.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#38 - 2013-05-15 13:40:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Col O'Nells wrote:
@Akita T, have u finish design it? thx alot

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you wanted to wait one or two more months first, see how things stand price-wise afterwards.


CPU

Ok, I would say you should pick the i5-3350P instead of the i5-3330 (if you can find it).
I say "if you can find it", because none of the three sites have it listed as being offered.
It is slightly cheaper, has a lower TDP, but a higher clock frequency, and that's because it lacks the integrated video parts, being a pure CPU.
Considering you would be gaming on a standalone video card, the CPU integrated video chip part would not have been of much use to you anyway (there are other potential uses too, but frankly, not that great either).
Bottom line, the CPU should be a bit under 2 mil rupiah either way.

CPU COOLING

Stock cooling will do fine.
No point spending extra money, especially since you probably won't overclock and won't use the PC in extreme temperatures.
Just make sure you clean the dust every few months with a can of compressed air or by simply blowing hard on it.


MOBO

Cheapest motherboard with all relevant features would be this H77 model:
http://www.bhinneka.com/products/sku00512224/asrock_motherboard_socket_lga1155__h77m_.aspx
Pro : 0.83m rupiah on that site, all features you actually might need
Neutral : micro-ATX form factor
Con : only 2 memory slots (no cheap&easy way to upgrade RAM size)

Alternatively, you could go with this Z77 model:
http://www.bhinneka.com/products/sku01112355/asrock_motherboard_socket_lga1155__z77_pro3_.aspx
Pro : 4 memory slots
Neutral : RAM overclocking ability (which you don't really need) and intel vPro support (which you also don't need)
Con : almost 1.1m rupiah


TOTAL SO FAR : 2.8-3.1m rupiah


RAM

http://www.bhinneka.com/products/sku00211933/gskill_memory_pc_2x_4gb_ddr3_pc-12800__ripjaws_f3-12800cl9d-8gbrl_.aspx
~0.75m rupiah
Affordable dual-channel 8 GB kit, CL9@1600.
It's really a shame to get just 4 GB of RAM nowadays, the savings are minimal, and the performance difference is easily noticeable while gaming, even with just a few instances of EVE plus some IM programs, a browser and a few other small things running in the background.



VIDEO CARD

http://www.bhinneka.com/products/sku00513197/asus_nvidia_geforce_gtx_650_ti__gtx650ti-1gd5_.aspx
~1.92m rupiah -> excessively high-priced, no idea why exactly is it so expensive
It should normally only cost about 1.25m, maybe 1.3m rupiah tops, but 1.9+m is just crazy.

The better available ATI alternative is even more ludicrously priced, so I'm not even listing it.


HDD

http://www.bhinneka.com/products/sku00310064/western_digital_caviar_blue_500gb__wd5000aakx_.aspx
http://www.bhinneka.com/products/sku00411183/seagate_barracuda_500gb.aspx
Either of those would do fine.
~0.6m rupiah on current offer, ~0.63m rupiah otherwise
Both are decent modest-sized drives at a nominal price.


CASE+ PSU

There's not much left of your initial target budget (in fact, we've already gone over it), so contrary to what most people would recommend, a bog-standard case+PSU combo will do just fine for now, especially with the rest of your components which are fairly low power. You could spend 0.7-1.1m rupiah on a "good" case and PSU, but frankly, chances are pretty good there will be practically no difference either way (even if you live in an area with "meh" electric power quality ; besides, you'd be better off buying a small UPS instead).

Something like this or similar in the same price range:
http://www.bhinneka.com/products/sku00411797/powerlogic_middle_tower_modena__gtx2000__-_black.aspx
~0.3 m rupiah
Has a 500W PSU, which should more than suffice even after taking into account some significant manufacturer over-reporting and heavy natural wear-and-tear in a few years.
I am not 100% sure that it has a PCI-E power connector, but it should have one.
Worst case scenario, you can always just use a MOLEX-to-PCI-power adapter (the power draw will be fairly mild either way so no heat worries there), which has only a negligible cost.
...

We're actually at around 6.4-6.7m rupiah total cost (depending on which mobo you pick), while your initially desired budget was ~6m rupiah only.

...

ALTERNATIVE "BUDGET-ER" VIDEO CARDS (to barely fit the initial total budget)

http://www.bhinneka.com/products/sku00513198/asus_nvidia_geforce_gtx_650__gtx650-dc-1gd5_.aspx
~1.55m rupiah, cheapest GTX 650 (non-Ti) on offer
or
http://www.bhinneka.com/products/sku00212836/xfx_amd_radeon_hd_7770__fx-777a-zdfc_.aspx
~1.46m rupiah, cheapest Radeon HD 7770 on offer
It's actually slightly faster than a GTX 650 (by about 5% to 10%, no huge deal), but with a TDP of 80W compared to the 64W TDP of the GTX 650 (not such a big problem, but still, a stock speed GTX 650 can run just from the PCI-E socket power with no PCI power connector, whereas the 7770 requires a power connector).

Both are noticeably slower compared to the GTX 650 Ti though, and probably not worth the downgrade.
Also, both still heavily overpriced compared to what they should cost on a straight USD-to-rupiah conversion (especially given the fact most other components are fairly decently priced), but it looks like Indonesia is one of the worse parts of the world to buy a video card in.


ALTERNATIVE "budget-er" CPU+MOBO

The choices available on THAT site are very, very flimsy.

http://www.bhinneka.com/products/sku01011104/amd_bulldozer__fx-6100_.aspx
~1.26m rupiah
http://www.bhinneka.com/products/sku01112425/asrock_motherboard_socket_am3___am3___n68-vs3-fx_.aspx
~0.45m rupiah
= grand total of only ~1.7m rupiah, compared to the 2.8-3.1m for the intel alternative.

That's a fairly substantial price difference, while the performance is not THAT much worse.
In your case, it might be ok, especially if your main gaming activity is multi-client EVE.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2013-05-16 01:31:07 UTC
Akita T wrote:
Col O'Nells wrote:
@Akita T, have u finish design it? thx alot

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you wanted to wait one or two more months first, see how things stand price-wise afterwards.


CPU

Ok, I would say you should pick the i5-3350P instead of the i5-3330 (if you can find it).
I say "if you can find it", because none of the three sites have it listed as being offered.
It is slightly cheaper, has a lower TDP, but a higher clock frequency, and that's because it lacks the integrated video parts, being a pure CPU.
Considering you would be gaming on a standalone video card, the CPU integrated video chip part would not have been of much use to you anyway (there are other potential uses too, but frankly, not that great either).
Bottom line, the CPU should be a bit under 2 mil rupiah either way.


3350P: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=BX80637I53350P-DH&cat=CPU

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Col O'Nells
Freedom Garuda
#40 - 2013-05-16 08:34:43 UTC
Thx Akita For ur setup Big smile

So base on ur setup:

Intel Core i5-3350P or Intel Core i5-3330
Asrock Motherboard Socket LGA1155 [Z77 PRO3] or Asrock Motherboard Socket LGA1155 [H77M]
Gskill Memory PC 2x 4GB DDR3 PC-12800 [Ripjaws F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL]
Asus NVidia GeForce GTX 650 Ti [GTX650TI-1GD5]
Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB [WD5000AAKX] or Seagate Barracuda 500GB
Powerlogic Middle Tower Modena [GTX2000] - Black


For memory its 8 GB or 16 GB in total? "Affordable dual-channel 8 GB kit, CL9@1600"

So if i wanna upgrade (Processor and Video Card) in a couple years, can i still using the MOBO, If i pick Z77?

And if i wait to bought in one or two month from now, its any much different from above setup? Cos, if the different is big i will wait for one or two month Big smile and my budget can go to 7~8 million rupiah.