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Do you have any source for that, as it means not advertising the CSM every day of the year, rather than having the tags which means advertising it to every person who visits these forums. as to a real source for mine so try the subscription numbers, we gained 55000, accounts this year so around 4600 a month. So at election time it would mean approximately 1.1% of the entire voter base is ineligible at the time of the election or there about, given the current increase in subscribers.

I am backing a tag that says "I cared enough about this game to vote"


The tag increases visibility, advertising increases the sales of even the crappiest good. See 100% guaranteed Australian fly killer, if you can find a link some where. It was marketed as that and it was actually 2 pieces of wood, its sales figures were rather impressive. Tags would allow the CSM and others to notice those who did not vote and actually study what they are commenting on and what they are saying, allowing for a greater amount of information to be available.

Even if a tag did produce a negative towards those who did not vote, but decide to come to the forums and whine, maybe next time they will act more constructively and vote, or at least ask "Why should I vote?"

Since when to you register to vote? 4600 accounts would be ineligible to vote, not 55,000. You seem to be grasping at straws to prevent something that would actually be useful and encourage people to vote the following year. As to being excluded and having no control over it, excluding the 4600 accounts, they chose not to vote via apathy or lack of knowledge, having a reward ven something so small as a forum tag will increase peoples reason to vote, or just ask "What is the CSM".


Did those who did not vote not care? Did they not know about the CSM? Did the STV system turn them off? Did CSM7 turn them off? We are more able to answer these questions with the tags that would enable us to see who did not vote as well as promoting the CSM at the same time, than not doing so.

Yes actually studying them would happen, as I myself am interested. As to the other no you cant except for a very small group. You are fighting very hard to prevent something that would increase the visibility of the CSM and subsequently its number of voters.


First people must ask "What is the CSM?" or they will never ask "Why should I vote?".

Having a tag that says "I Voted" is not elitist, it is a reward for those who took the time to actually vote in the CSM, while at the same time increasing the visibility of the CSM, and allowing study of the postings of those who do not at this time choose to vote. The risk is larger that with a lack of advertising people will remain ignorant of the CSM, rather than as you assume people turning their backs on it over a tag. Again you seem to be grasping at straws in the attempt to reduce voter turn out and the visibility of the CSM.

The CSM is the voice of we the players, not just some of the players but all of the players. Anything that gains awareness of the player base as a whole as to the nature of the CSM is a good thing.

Personal insults so early in a discussion, shame shame, shame.

Yes, people who register within the 30 day window before the voting opens will be ineligible all the way through to the following years election, but having watched the posting on these forums, new players normally open with words similar to " I am new here" and as has been noted on a lot of threads where people are quitting due to the complexity of the game, other posters will check the age of the character before replying normally with "You are x number of months old, don't you think you should actually give EvE a chance before telling people how the game needs to be changed"

The 9407 votes lost this year are strangely similar to the 10,058 votes that were not counted last year, after a CSM member was ruled ineligible for the role. While I would not lay the blame completely at his feet, especially after CSM7 and the STV. Those votes must be assumed to be in part lost.

A tag on these forums saying "I Voted" is not insane, it is exactly that recognition for those people who voted as well as a valuable tool to increase the visibility of the CSM its self.

It would not be "Telling people they won't matter" if they don't vote, it is telling people that "Voting Matters"

Yes the why is very important but also irrelevant if they do not know there is something to vote for.

The tags themselves are something voters can wear with pride, as I would do so.

Your argument as to how a positive can be made into a negative can be used to justify anything including the removal from the players the right to vote. As the wrong CSM member might get in and damage the CSMs reputation like CSM7 did.

Everything has its negative side even winning Lotto, but in most cases like this one, the good effects that it can have in understanding non-voters, giving voters a badge of pride and increasing the awareness of the CSM out weigh the frankly unlikely scenarios you have put forward and if you do not believe they are low probability feel free to show me any data to prove otherwise.

A Tag would greatly increase the CSMs visibility, it would give people the reason to ask "What is the CSM?" and subsequently give people the ability to look for the answer to "Why should I vote?", not doing so would be a massive waste, especially after the last 14 months of CSM disasters.

It's a terrible idea, and moot because CCP are smart enough to never implement it.

I do vote, and you are mentally unstable.

Yes, you are.

I'm voting to select unpaid game consultants in an insular popularity contest. I'm not really sure what you think you're doing, though whatever it is, it's not healthy.

It proves nothing. I engage seriously when I deem it beneficial.

In this particular case, for example, I didn't even feel the need to explain why I thought it was terrible, as the entire argument is moot because CCP will never implement something like this.

You will continue to post a lot of words, some people may engage on varying levels, but nothing will ever come of it.

ccp please add a dislike button to the forums and once someone has accumulated enough dislikes they are automatically ignored

What always strikes me about these "let's give people _______ if they vote!" arguments is how you're on one hand admitting that the CSM itself just isn't going to ever be interesting enough on its own to get a significantly larger amount of people to vote, but on the other hand ignoring that very fact in the name of giving a meaningless inflation to the number of voters that turn out.

Also if you're going to try to get CCP to bribe people into voting, why not go whole hog and give out special edition ships or clothes or implants or whatever? It's not like there's much of a difference between that and some vanity tag, and hell, actual in-game items wouldn't carry the stupid scarlet letter connotations that an "I voted" tag would, so they'd be better.

Or you could go the other way and realize that maybe, just maybe the CSM and CCP combined have done a pretty lousy job of selling the CSM to players. CCP already realized that and made steps towards changing it with their devblog - maybe the CSM needs to get on board with that train of thought too?