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Which Ship Minmitar PvP (RvB)
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Col Arran
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-05-02 19:50:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Col Arran
I would flee RvB right now and never look back. Go join an actual PvP alliance in nullsec and actually get experience.

If you MUST join in the upshipping blob PvP that is RvB use an armor slasher for your frig, a 180mm stabber for your frig killing boat and an arty rupture for "fleets" (if you can actually call them that). Also start "FCing" you get free **** for posting an advert getting up-shipped by your respective enemy up-shipping them in T3 BCs then getting bitched out cause you up-shipped them and standing down the fleet.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#22 - 2013-05-02 20:58:24 UTC
Col Arran wrote:
I would flee RvB right now and never look back. Go join an actual PvP alliance in nullsec and actually get experience.

If you MUST join in the upshipping blob PvP that is RvB use an armor slasher for your frig, a 180mm stabber for your frig killing boat and an arty rupture for "fleets" (if you can actually call them that). Also start "FCing" you get free **** for posting an advert getting up-shipped by your respective enemy up-shipping them in T3 BCs then getting bitched out cause you up-shipped them and standing down the fleet.


0.0 alliances are generally the absolute WORST place to try and learn pvp..

What you learn from blobbing is quite limited.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#23 - 2013-05-02 20:59:38 UTC
Super Miguel wrote:
Gotcha, so besides the skills required to fit all this equipment to the ship what other skills i should get?

thermodynamics ??


Train thermodynamics to 16

5 If the game won't allow that.

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Psichotic
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-05-04 19:07:32 UTC
I would avoid Minmitar if just starting out. It is the hardest race to train for. CCP recently nerffed Min, so training for the hardest race used come with an eventual benefit, but not anymore.

For a new player I would recommend training 1. Amarr, 2. Caldari, 3. Gallente, and 4. Minmitar.
Super Miguel
Trillium Invariant
Honorable Third Party
#25 - 2013-05-05 06:52:17 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Super Miguel wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
http://shadowcartel.com/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=30951 (You need to do open link)



I still dont see much difference between the two...

So top one is the one u linked, and bot is the one i linked:

http://i.imgur.com/N1Q6nN8.jpg

What makes yours a "armor slasher" ?


One can reliably control range in a frig fight, the other can't

Web is life.



Cant do any of this ships, i need CPU and Power grip :( so upgrading engineering and electronics
Daniel Zabel
Callisto Group
#26 - 2013-05-05 09:43:31 UTC
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Cant do any of this ships, i need CPU and Power grip :( so upgrading engineering and electronics


Try out the Rifter first if ur Core Fitting skills are on Basic and have decent Minmi Frig/Autocannon skills switch for Slashy dashy
Super Miguel
Trillium Invariant
Honorable Third Party
#27 - 2013-05-06 00:49:28 UTC
I tried using both of this ships (http://i.imgur.com/N1Q6nN8.jpg) and dueled a friend that stared 1-2 days before me... he is using a Talwar with missiles and every time i get hit by those things i just drop like 50% of my armor...

and it takes ages from me attacking him to get his armor down 10%
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#28 - 2013-05-06 02:32:42 UTC
Super Miguel wrote:
I tried using both of this ships (http://i.imgur.com/N1Q6nN8.jpg) and dueled a friend that stared 1-2 days before me... he is using a Talwar with missiles and every time i get hit by those things i just drop like 50% of my armor...

and it takes ages from me attacking him to get his armor down 10%


Well that would be because Destroyers are sort of designed to violate frigs..

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Super Miguel
Trillium Invariant
Honorable Third Party
#29 - 2013-05-06 03:23:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Super Miguel
Tried this build as well and still owned me, like he hits way harder than me

[Thrasher]

[Lows]
Damage Control I
Gyrostabilizer I

[Mids]
Limited 1 MN Microwarpdrive I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Medium Shield Extender I

[Highs]
200mm Autocannon II (Republic Fleet EMP S)
200mm Autocannon II (Republic Fleet EMP S)
200mm Autocannon II (Republic Fleet EMP S)
200mm Autocannon II (Republic Fleet EMP S)
200mm Autocannon II (Republic Fleet EMP S)
200mm Autocannon II (Republic Fleet EMP S)
200mm Autocannon II (Republic Fleet EMP S)


[Rigs]
Small Anti-Explosive Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Super Miguel
Trillium Invariant
Honorable Third Party
#30 - 2013-05-06 05:08:35 UTC
changed to barrage and making way better damage
Super Miguel
Trillium Invariant
Honorable Third Party
#31 - 2013-05-06 12:27:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Super Miguel
ill try different weapons out tonight

whats better arti or AutoCannons?
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#32 - 2013-05-06 14:11:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Mizhir
Super Miguel wrote:
Tried this build as well and still owned me, like he hits way harder than me

[Thrasher]

[Lows]
Damage Control I
Gyrostabilizer I

[Mids]
Limited 1 MN Microwarpdrive I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Medium Shield Extender I

[Highs]
200mm Autocannon II (Republic Fleet EMP S)
200mm Autocannon II (Republic Fleet EMP S)
200mm Autocannon II (Republic Fleet EMP S)
200mm Autocannon II (Republic Fleet EMP S)
200mm Autocannon II (Republic Fleet EMP S)
200mm Autocannon II (Republic Fleet EMP S)
200mm Autocannon II (Republic Fleet EMP S)


[Rigs]
Small Anti-Explosive Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I


Don't know if its a mistake in EFT or not. But dont fit armor rigs when you have a shield tank. And you would benefit from upgrading the shield extender to a meta one which gives more HP.

And regarding autocannons vs arties. Both are good, so it depends on the situation. An autocannon thrasher is a fierce little dps monster while arty thrashers can be great for sniping and for volleying things when there are enough of them.

Edit: Join the RVB noobfleet channel. I can't remember the exact name, so just ask in corp. There will always be people there who can help you and offer advice.

❤️️💛💚💙💜
Maegor Stark
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-05-06 14:28:03 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
Rifter will still teach you more about small scale pvp than 90% of the other boats. The versatility of fits and ability to counter fit most things is great but you need to study how to fly it or you'll get stomped by the more specialised frigs from other races.

And before the haters slam my post. Ignore them, they are just bitter the rifter isn't an i-win button anymore (hint: it never was if you knew how to kill them but it was 'easy mode' for frig pvp for a long time)


Versatility of fits?

Slasher/Condor are the new versatile ships: Thanks to 4 mid slots you have the option of going Shield Tank without losing the web or going armor tank and adding e-war (usually TDs).

Rifter was strong because it had a strong slot layout, now it only has a basic slot layout and is, just generally, not a very good ship anymore. Solo it gets dominated by faster frigs like the Slasher, in fleets it gets out-tanked and out-damaged by Merlin/Incursus/Punisher.

To respond to the original post:

I have never been in RvB, that's why I don't know how often you guys actually have 1v1 fights, but, for fleets I reommend flying a Thrasher instead of a frigate.

Good luck!
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#34 - 2013-05-06 15:50:33 UTC
Maegor Stark wrote:
Taoist Dragon wrote:
Rifter will still teach you more about small scale pvp than 90% of the other boats. The versatility of fits and ability to counter fit most things is great but you need to study how to fly it or you'll get stomped by the more specialised frigs from other races.

And before the haters slam my post. Ignore them, they are just bitter the rifter isn't an i-win button anymore (hint: it never was if you knew how to kill them but it was 'easy mode' for frig pvp for a long time)


Versatility of fits?

Slasher/Condor are the new versatile ships: Thanks to 4 mid slots you have the option of going Shield Tank without losing the web or going armor tank and adding e-war (usually TDs).

Rifter was strong because it had a strong slot layout, now it only has a basic slot layout and is, just generally, not a very good ship anymore. Solo it gets dominated by faster frigs like the Slasher, in fleets it gets out-tanked and out-damaged by Merlin/Incursus/Punisher.

To respond to the original post:

I have never been in RvB, that's why I don't know how often you guys actually have 1v1 fights, but, for fleets I reommend flying a Thrasher instead of a frigate.

Good luck!


lol punisher..

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Auduin Samson
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-05-06 16:53:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Auduin Samson
Rifter was changed from Easy Mode to Hard Mode. That being said, pick a ship that looks shiny and try it. If you don't like it, try something else after it explodes. Frigates are fun that way.
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