Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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Seriously, I laughed really hard at this, and your corp name.

You can rant about FW warzone all you like, but the main issue is this change does nothing to improve the game and everything to aid your personal playstyle.

Everyone knows you fly a kitting kestral with loki boosts. Your entire play style counts on being able to activate your webs from 16k+ and hold the target at range.

The simple truth is that the sec loss prevents you from being willing to aggress first, which gives you 2 options, run, or get scrammed and die, you don't like that so you come to features and ideas trying to change the game to suit yourself.

Just because a neutral wanders into the warzone doesn't make them a legal target.

Has anyone bumped this?

ITT: FW Pilots and Neutrals that look for PVP at FW plexes.

Currently it appears the Neutrals in the plexes are the "Snowflakes". They want the pvp action of FW but without making the commitment of joining a Faction. If you get shot at in a warzone and then go to the police about it, what are they going to say to you? Yeah, that's right, they'll insult your intelligence of course, just as anyone who is arguing against the Suspect flagging at plex sites should also have their intelligence brought into question.

FW plexes are designed to encourage FW based pvp. Why should Neutrals get to go there? Why should a FW pilot shooting people in a FW pvp site get a security hit? If it was just a normal non-FW pvp site that would be fine, but this is a site intended to bring out the fights.

This does bring up another point in fact....

Why do you have to wait for someone to get a sec rating of -5 before you can shoot them without losing your own rating? What's the point of having security rating of 0 > x > -2 if it has no implications anyways? I suggest that in low security you should be able to aggress anyone with a negative security rating with no security consequence. High sec would be based around the travel restrictions of the system's security, if even at all.

This would help make low sec pvp more appealing as you wouldn't have to give up high sec to do it. And with the new security rating changes coming in odyssey (making it harder to bring your sec up from negative) this would make pirate hunting more viable and it would also make sure that bad sec ratings are deserved. Seriously, the new item "Negotiator Tag" is going to be pretty much useless. The only thing they'll be good for is topping off your sec status if you're going for a suicide gank fest.

Eve is about consequences if you shoot non aggression person neutrals should get sec hit. Due to fact you also fiddle with emprire affairs you should also get standing hit as has been suggested.

FW player should not receive hit complex is FW mechanism and when neutral fiddles with FW war effort you are criminal and need suspect flag.

EVE should be called pirate online.. I am so tired to see dev and design choices that favor aggressor. Aggressing is buffed way too far. And all I get to see is pirates whining "I lose sec status" FFS you aggress person that is not agressing you so yes you should lose sec status. Yes EVE should be cold and hard place also for pirates that don't know where to stick their whiny nose.

Bold and italics for emphasis. You just argued against your case!!! Thanks...



(hint: war zone)

Bad ideas you say? Your point is hard to argue. You've shown very well which specific pieces are flawed and how the implications of those may have undesirable consequences.

President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho would be proud of you. (Idiocracy reference ;D )

But seriously, please point out specifically what is wrong with my "Nice long explanation" other than you don't think it needs fixing.


If it's because pirates need content, well that's an entirely different issue and i do agree with that. I do like the whole idea of separating the 4 empires with low sec space. Kinda has that old world Trans-Ocean trade route feel. With the threat of piracy about.

It's not about making Eve safe, it's not about making Low Sec Safer, it's about giving people the desire to go there.



Case in point!

Or in a way you'll understand: This is what is broken, and this is what needs fixing.

I understand that you're a bitter vet and are clinging to the old ways, but change isn't such a bad thing. But what you said is true for the majority of pilots. And it's not really about the PVP, it's about the fact that most pvp will kill your security rating and you'll have to grind yourself back up to enter High Sec again. If this was limited to any extent then low sec pvp would be much more desirable.

We want people to go to low sec. The whole point of this thread is because the few people in low sec are clinging to the FW pilots because that's all that's going on there.

Onomerous and rest of pirates that are against this idea are just afraid that they actually will get shot back.. If it would be about PVP you would vote for this change because this change would already help low sec engagement. But no pirates are only in for it when they have safe backing and sure kill.

@Onomerous seriously you and your pals should leave EVE to make it much better place for everyone in EVE. Including the real pirates that actually care about the game.

So i raised this in another thread, but why are we limiting ourselves to the present flags? Maybe its about complexity, but could we have things like a different 'militia' flag, for example, that when you warp in to a plex, depending on your rank will increase the number of NPCs present? Or possibly, you could launch a militia 'beacon' every so often that lets militia members bypass activation gates every so often, but also may spawn a wave of NPCs...

Although I do like the suspect flag in FW sites, just don't like that it might follow you everywhere.