EVE New Citizens Q&A

Greetings,

First I would like to note that this is not open for discussion with us at CCP customer support, the rules are quite clear regarding this behavior.


This information is publicly available and is displayed on the Evelopedia article for rookie systems which is managed by CCP Customer Support. The article can be found here:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems

To quote SGM Homonoia from 2012.10.15 10:48

"In all seriousness, do NOT try and game the system to go after rookies. We do not care how well you argue or how well your internet lawyering skills are. We do NOT allow this and the spirit of this principle trumps any and all other rules about game play we have. If you do this and your argument is "but this rule or this mechanic states..." then stop right there and do not bother; we WILL hammer down on that. No exceptions."

We can fully understand that you wish to use the various PVP options available to you, however such activity may draw unwanted attention of new players towards you, so we strongly suggest you move such activity out of the 25 solar systems currently listed and move it to any of the 7,674 other solar systems available to you.

With regards,
GM The Doctor

Thank you for your response and link to SGM Homonoia's post. I didn't see that one when I looked for something solid on the new mechanics and it is much more clear than the old pages. Using the system like a jackass will get the same old reaction as sitting there with a bait can....if they are used as intended they are fine....no need to go into my version of "as intended" everyone knows if you have to ask yourself if what you're doing is "as intended use" then you're being a jackass.

Now I can go back to being a jackass in 7,674 other solar systems.


...and since we have yas on the line could you poke someone to look at the duel text and take out the "no interference" part or add something about interfering ships will become suspect?

Pretty sure you're going to want to rephrase that.

Because you just said that PVP is prohibited in rookie systems and I'm pretty sure that's not what you meant.

You told us under all circumstances retribution mechanics in rookie systems is the same as can baiting. The link Doctor provided to the official post from Homonoia about the new stuff is as clear as it needs to be. Had you linked that at the begining of this conversation there would have been no thread.

I for one, am confused as to how politely asking "Excuse, me good sir, would you terribly mind allowing me to shoot at you" aka a Duel constitutes a "trick."

Second, is the rule "you can't tricknewbies into being able to shoot them" or is it "you can't PvP in the rookie systems?"

Because one of those is a well designed rule for protecting newbies (the kind of rule I suggested repeatedly in another thread like this one), and one requires a definition of both "newbies" and "trick" to be effective at preventing bad behavior.

25 systems out of 7600+ systems that are "reserved" as paddling pools for new players.

What possible reason can there be for going to these 25 systems to look for "PVP" fights ?
Lets be blunt, if youre looking for a fight here what you are likely to find is a very quick explosion and some tears if the victim didnt fully understand what he/she was getting themselves in to.
Yes, lots of the "new fish" are alts of long standing players, but seriously, are your PVP skills so weak that you have to go there to get your jollies ?

From a Cause and Effect point of view, if you show all the genuine new players a one-sided You Cant Win example of PVP on day one, its a fair bet that a significant amount of them are going to take a LOT longer to go looking for fun in Low/Null space, so all you achieve is to restrict your own target opportunities later on.

All the Leet-PVPers whine about not enough targets in Low forcing them to find their fun in High-Sec, If you made it less of a Gank and more of a Match then people might be more willing to engage with you.
But wait, If its not a Gank, that means you might lose, and you "Leet-PVPers" that pull this kind of Mickey Mouse Ass-Hattery hating Losing almost as much as you hate not being free to be wankers where-ever you choose to be.

A T2 ship to Duel Bait ? Talk about stacking the odds. Risk Averse Much ?

This.

Why do you pick a starting system to PvP while their are loads of other places to look.

Answer: because you pick on new players. Which is not allowed.

Most of the thread was about what should be allowed - very little debate was had about what the rules were. The whole thread you supported your arguments with terrible reasons. Not to say that the Minmatar guy had great reasons, but they were certainly better than yours.

As a rookie with less than a week experience in EVE, I think sheltering new players from duels - even with elite veterans - goes against everything EVE stands for. Of course, tricking new players is different. Duels are definitely not tricking.

Back to my point: just because a GM comes in and confirms a rule doesn't mean you were right about what you've said in the previous posts. Saying 'I told you so' is just not cool on any level and is wrong as well.

J'Poll, you are debating with people who will not acknowledge anything other than what they wish to believe. The only way to get the point across is for CCP to put a watch on every account in this thread and when they kill a noob in a starter system to ban them for 30 days. That, may, just very might, get through their thick heads. But i doubt it. CCP needs to partrol their new systems and they should ensure that what is going on doesn't run off new players who are the future cash supply of eve.

By not patrolling the new systems and helping new accounts it's akin to McDonalds employees walking away from the counter while you are standing there waiting to place your order. At some point you just give up and go elsewhere.

Obvious alts don't class as new player