EVE General Discussion

Preface: my first language is german, so please be don't be too harsh for any gramar mistakes I made ... the original (german) post is https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=232108&find=unread

I really tried to get infromation about the upcomming changes for scanning, but it seems as if I was too stupid for that task - and no, I didn't use any kind of information provided by this new video site, I use Firefox with activated NoScript extension, and invoking this side is a pure nightmare for any security aware user.
And by the way: citation from pure text is by far easier than from any kind of video!


The topic itsself:

I aquired the informations from the DEV-Blog http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/resource-shakeup-blog/ , capter "Ore Mining"



First of all, "hidden belts" will be scanned down after the launch of Odyssey much more easy, both from miners and gankers sorry their hunters ... OK. Miners have to take (more) care .... But nobody described how, and I think no one knows a good counter strategy against this new and (dependence independent scanning of) anomalies for Ice and Ore, where the potential targets do not even know that they are becomming pray for their enemies (maybe not so true in 0.0 where they could watch local for any non-blue in their system).


But now let's face the real problem:

What about the poor guys which love to scan down missions and invade them? Will the actual existing mission areas be locatable that easy? I really didn't find any information about this topic, but if not, this is really a blantant injustice for this kind of game play! CCP has to change the game mechanics in that way that all mission areas are to be scannable with the on-board scanner! Or why do these players have to spend their valuable time for scanning down the mission areas (and maybe even train for these skills)? Do You see what I mean?
And this kind of players do not only want to catch mission runners in their mission ares, they also want to catch explorers doing magneto sites, radar sites, and ladar sites. Why do they have to face more effort? Which logic lays behind this design decision? That is completely unfair!

The only fair and inevitalbe solution for this imballance is: remove all signatures from EVE, and change anything to scannable anomalies whitch can be scanned down with the on-board scanner!

PS: I really demand a plausible clarification from CCP (!) why they changed only the gravimetric signatures before this thread is closed for "not enough content" / ranting / trolling / whatever, as You will find only ships which are not really capable of defending against non-NPC aggression in these sites now (at least at the moment), as these are: Mining Barges, Exhumers, und Industrial Command Ships.
For clarification purposes: "plausible" is definitely not: "... because an almighty and/or all-knowing Product Manager decided this way".

PPS: please no "adapt or die" posts, I can imaginate these by myself. And no, I won't quit EVE, and nobody can have my stuff. And finally: yes, this is a new ALT (better: twin character, twink), but the skill plan for this char is about 500 days in EVEmon quit now, so I don't see this char as forum ALT myself ...

@Danni stark: might be correct for the miner ganker, but this was not my topic really - what about the other "bad" guys? They will still have the effort!

Sorry, I prefer to ignore any comment which is far away from any kind of logical argumentation.
Wellcome as first member of my personal ignore list ....

*Edit*

Derp...

Yes. You are completely right (and that is no translation problem), I was searching for _ANY_ information concerning non-mining sites (i.e. neither gravi nor ice), and could not find anything!

From my point of view: why are the miner hunters prefered by CCP in this extraordinary way? Why is a explorer doing a lucky mission for serveral hundert million ISKs within a fiew minutes still "under the protection of scanning" while others are pray?

That's the imballance for me, and CCP really has to change this!

I think I understand what you're getting at. Let me make sure I am clear on what you're saying.

You're saying that all anomalies were scannable before and required effort to obtain. Now gravimetric sites are nolonger scannable, making it easier for miners to find rarer ore (imagine the mad rush after DT). On the flip side of that coin, gankers can also find these sites just as easily. However, other sites still need to be scanned down. This means that someone running, say, a Radar site, still has that extra layer of protection by needing to be scanned down.

While in theory this is correct, and you're right to be upset about that, here's something to consider. With full trained skills and even reasonably basic intel, it takes roughly 7-10 seconds to pinpoint your location with combat probes.

So while in theory, this extra level of safety is exactly that, an extra level of safety, it's a very very thin layer of security that doesn't necessarily make more than, say, 15 seconds of safety for you. If someone really wants to find you, they'll know what they need to know to find you, and you won't be able to stop them except quit.

you mean aside from the fact that they just made mining worth more isk/hour and the new level of risk is proportionate to the new reward?

Because CCP loves explosions and everybody hates miners so that's why.

Ich glaube wir zwei sollten uns mal ingame unterhalten :)
Vielleicht kann ich Dir ja ein paar Punkte zu Herzen führen.

Invited him to a naughty convo.. incase anyone was wondering :P

And I dont see changes only coming up for miners, exploration changes in general are coming up..you should always look at both sides of a medal not just the one you think is prettiest :P

No.

No. How is it imbalanced that they have to probe for ships, same as always?

They don't.

Gravimetrics are being removed because you're supposed to go after those belts in your mining ship — the ship that has no room for probing equipment.