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Eve vs. Sci-Fi (?)

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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#21 - 2013-05-03 17:24:05 UTC
Eve capsuleers would win since it would just turn into a war of attrition, and the whole immortality thing.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#22 - 2013-05-03 17:32:35 UTC
The Federation Fleet warps in. Immeadiately they are zerg'd by frigates. A lone cyno is dropped. Local begins to spike and Carriers and Supers are dropped which dwarf even the largest Federation ship. Doomsdays eliminate the largest of the fleet, and the rest are quickly crushed beneath the horde of immortal pilots who reship and rejoin the fight. In the end, the field is salvaged revealing that Federation ships drop **** loot, and the lost hulls of the victors are reimbursed by their alliances and insurance. Local chat is spammed with obsenities and Fukung links from the surviving Federation lifeboats.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#23 - 2013-05-03 17:38:40 UTC
Battlestar Gallactica would beat 'em all.

And not the new drama-laced version, the old school one with the robot dog and where Starbuck was a guy, and Commander Adama also sold dog food on commercial breaks, and when you were face to face with a cylon, you damn well knew it.

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Zye Ainxt
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-05-03 18:31:17 UTC
mr ed thehouseofed wrote:
borg would wipe everybody out Twisted


Sansha would assimilate the Borg and anyone else that came along.
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
#25 - 2013-05-03 20:22:32 UTC
Naomi Hale wrote:
who would win.


The Jove of course.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#26 - 2013-05-03 20:25:33 UTC
Pff. Going by the record of all previous Starfleet captains, they'd arrive on grid, be trolled in local, get horribly upset by the lack of tact and diplomacy, come to the forums and whine, be trolled even more, and then rage-quit after having declared everyone as hopeless psychos.

EVE wins!
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#27 - 2013-05-03 20:44:36 UTC
Warhammer 40k would face roll everyone.

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Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#28 - 2013-05-03 20:46:06 UTC
Fun little fact about Starfleet's weapon systems.. they have a range of about 10km actually.. STO is based very heavily on how the tech of the series works.. now add into that say, a tornado armed with nice 1400mms, firing at 120km range..

sure they can try and warp over, but only if they aren't scrammed by a ton of our frigates swarming around them, messing up their warp drives.

And while the weapon systems in eve may seem 'primitive', they aren't all that primitive, even the most basic weapons, projectile guns from the Minmatar are loaded with very high tech ammo using exotic particles and nuclear weapons and other such toys.
(EMP rounds, Phased Plasma, Fusion rounds, Hail, Barrage, Tremor, Quake.. )
These would certainly put more than a little dent into star trek shields.

Also, ST weapons are rather specific, phasers are good against shields, but don't do that much on armoured hulls. While ST torps are useless against shields, but do more damage on armour.

The only advantages starfleet would have is superior scanning ( no afk cloaky againt them! ) and interstellar mobility.

Eve capsuleer advantages are:
Superior numbers
Faster production of ships
Superior Firepower ( bigger guns, longer ranged guns )
Superior Electronic Warfare ( especially points and neuts )
Bigger ships
Much more efficient repair of ships during combat. SF ships would be effectively only shield buffer tanks with no logi backup.
Faster ships in tactical mode

Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?

Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#29 - 2013-05-03 20:55:48 UTC
starfleet has self replicating mines that they invented to mine the wormhole so they could just put them in front of all the gates
Romvex
TURN LEFT
#30 - 2013-05-03 21:07:07 UTC
Star Trek ships fear antimatter, and depend a lot on speed. A Vindicator, which is almost twice as big as the Enterprise, locked and loaded with some faction antimatter and a 90% web would be the Federation's worst nightmare Pirate
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-05-03 21:10:26 UTC
EVE would win. We require less manpower and city sized capital ships that take years for the factions of other sci-fi universes to build can be built in just a few months in EVE.

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Trini Soren
Doomheim
#32 - 2013-05-03 21:20:31 UTC
Anything piloted by James T Kirk will win. Just because he always wins. Any Eve ship he goes up against will have some malfunction or he will fabricate a doomsday weapon out of a dilithium crystal, a piece of wool and a used condom. Or something. He always wins. It's just the way it goes.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#33 - 2013-05-03 21:33:15 UTC
I don't think it would turn into a straight up slug fest; SF defaults to diplomacy and and any race they met would want to ally with them or at least not start a second front war before they had some idea of what they were getting into. If they did happen to encounter extreme hostility from one of the big null blocks then they always have the option to stay in warp and operate their long range sensor equipment from beyond scan range.

In both scenarios SF eventually finds highsec and they fall in love. Tech merges and is almost completely disseminated to both sides before any grand scale conflict.

It might be possible for one of the Eve powers to reverse engineer SF tech from the initial wrecks, whether or not they could incorporate this tech into fleets before the SF + HighSec merger is debatable. And it may serve to cement the bond between the two in any case.

The real question is what the SF blueprints would do to the Eve markets. And whether or not I could get them to invest in a Titan production conglomerate.
Kais Klip
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2013-05-03 22:24:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Kais Klip
And then the The God-Emperor's Glorious Imperial Navy tears out of the warp, His Sons at the forefront, unbidden and unbound much like this reply, accidentally ramming and running through the entire Star fleet and its counterparts, before compliance tithes are paid with Minmatar flesh to man His Most Blessed Field Artillery, Caldari brains and spirit are tithed for His Most Omnipotent Administratum, all the while our alliance friends beyond the highsec borders are wracked with rampaging grimdark warp shenanigans, with wishes for Trolls, talking cats and Unicorns quickly silenced.

As for the Amarr, well...

I was there,

I was there the day Horus slew the Empress.


'pologies, you did say "vs Sci-Fi" P
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#35 - 2013-05-03 22:58:14 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Eve travel is limited by star gates, so in order for Eve to attack the Federation, Eve would have to send sub-light speed ships into Federation space to build star gates before being able to attack them. Not a very practical way to attack your enemy. (OTOH, if the Romulans could send a sub-light speed warbird to attack the Federation along the border in 'Balance of Terror'...)

Never mind that the Eve ships are slow and very short ranged compared to Star Trek ships which can detect and shoot at other ships while in warp or while traveling at significant fraction of light speed.

Long story short, Federation warps in, destroys all static targets in Eve (stations and cities on planets) and laughs at everyone in Eve. Meanwhile all the capsuleers die off as cloning stations are destroyed.


I'd like to counter this particular statement with some canon video clips:
Sc1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8pQm3h2opc
Sc2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW4eqZ9xdnc
Sc3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OCKDEdtWys

A few things about Sc1:
- This is obviously what passes for an extremely pitched battle
- The largest federation ship there is the size of an Eve BC
- The fight is obviously at extreme close range and slow speed
- None of the long range or firing while in warp is used.
- Much of the ST technology doesn't work if there are *any* shields. All Eve ships have shields.
- Everything in ST is overcome with the use of Tachyons. Amarr Victor.

A few things about Sc2:
- Some of these scenes are obviously pitched battles of enormous scale.
- The battles again happen at excruciatingly slow speed and at razor edge ranges (bump and collision range)
- The largest ships present are Eve BC sized
- Many ships, even apparent capital ships, don't have shields at all, and no armor either.
- Many phaser shots outright miss, even at extremely slow speeds and at close range
- Huge numbers of ships die to torpedos and/or missiles

A few things about SC3:
- The Borg have personal shields
- The primitive projectiles worked fine

Anyway, time and again we can see that much of the hurf blurf about superior ST technology is put paid by what actually happens. Perhaps all the speedy gonzales super accurate warping about is technically possible, but perhaps it's more like lost technology and rampant flukes.

I'd bet on Eve.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Slymah
DorpCorp
#36 - 2013-05-03 23:47:35 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#37 - 2013-05-03 23:56:15 UTC
Trini Soren wrote:
Anything piloted by James T Kirk will win. Just because he always wins. Any Eve ship he goes up against will have some malfunction or he will fabricate a doomsday weapon out of a dilithium crystal, a piece of wool and a used condom. Or something. He always wins. It's just the way it goes.


You sir, have just confused James Kirk and MacGuyver.

Now, if MacGuyver were on a starship...Id bet itd be a Minmatar one...and that beastly ship would own the battlefield. Hull Damage? Meh, ive got 2 quarters and jumper cables and a 30 second montage.... 100% repaired.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Iudicium Vastus
Doomheim
#38 - 2013-05-04 00:17:30 UTC
Aren't we forgetting the Transporter technology? Why not beam an armed boarding crew into the enemy vessel, or beam a torpedo onto the engineering decks.

And why focus so much on The Federation, why not go against all of ST. Many other vessels have cloaks as well (The Klingon). The Borg have what is basically an adaptive invulnerability field that reaches 100% resistance. Hell, maybe the Ferengi would take over New Eden's market and crush capsuleer manufacturing and distribution.

[u]Nerf stabs/cloaks in FW?[/u] No, just.. -Fit more points -Fit faction points -Bring a friend or two with points (an alt is fine too)

DrBiologist
Perkone
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-05-04 00:46:57 UTC  |  Edited by: DrBiologist
Iudicium Vastus wrote:
Aren't we forgetting the Transporter technology? Why not beam an armed boarding crew into the enemy vessel, or beam a torpedo onto the engineering decks.

And why focus so much on The Federation, why not go against all of ST. Many other vessels have cloaks as well (The Klingon). The Borg have what is basically an adaptive invulnerability field that reaches 100% resistance. Hell, maybe the Ferengi would take over New Eden's market and crush capsuleer manufacturing and distribution.


/thread

Transport a torpedo to the pod room.

lmao Startrek wins
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#40 - 2013-05-04 01:11:49 UTC
Trini Soren wrote:
Anything piloted by James T Kirk will win. Just because he always wins. Any Eve ship he goes up against will have some malfunction or he will fabricate a doomsday weapon out of a dilithium crystal, a piece of wool and a used condom. Or something. He always wins. It's just the way it goes.


Don't forget Wesley crusher. His school science project will foil any plans u make,