Wormholes

After watching the EVE Keynotes from FF2013 (time: 01:13:00) I noticed that percents are removed from the scanner: screenshot
The percent readings are crucial for a popular scanning technique: DSP signature filtering.
1. Launch one Deep Space probe, set max radius
2. Filter results by signal strength
3. Use the reference signature strength table - you now can ignore up to 90% of signals if you are looking for a given type of an anomaly.

The video of the method: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9TYh5J7U4g
The specialized website:
- reference tables: http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/dsp/nullsec.html
- method description: http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/dsp/index.html

Do not break this smart and elegant method of scanning! Add those fancy color bars, but keep the percents as well.

I heard from corp mates that they raised it with CCP at fanfest and that they were going to look into it.

Personally, I'd be happy for it to go since ive always considered the method fairly dodgy.
Also, if you probe enough you can tell what sig is what based on the results without needing any external reference so it doesnt really matter.

OH YEAH THOSE CHEATING BASTARDS THAT CAN FLY A TITAN WHILE I CAN'T CAUE I DIDN"T TRAIN FOR THEM. Cheaters. they should be banned. Oh and the guys flying command ships too, or any other ship that i didn't train for yet.

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ON TOPIC. the sig strength % was replaced with a bar, as far as i could tell. same thing, just hidden. almost.

I don't get it, all you need to do after the change is take a system full of sigs, launch a deep space probe and scan, then you note down how far the bars are filled for all the sigs and then scan down the sigs regularly and then couple this with the initial "fulness" of the bar. Voila, you now know what each signature strength looks like in the new system and nothing has changed, except that now you do not see a percentage, but how full the bar is. At good skills (which you should have when using a DS) the bands of signature strenght should be clearly visible on the bars.
You can also always wait 2 days until someone else has done all this and has compiled a nice little website/chart that tells you how the bars look like at your skills for each signature strength.

EDIT: Also, the astrometrics skill gets a decent boost, making it worthwile to skil lto V.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=225455

Under scanning changes.
Though unconfirmed, the latest data dump indicates that the scanning skills will be adjusted to this:

Astrometrics - 5% Reduced scan time, 5% reduced scan deviation and 5% increased scan strength per level
Astrometric Acquisition - Changes from 10% reduced scan time per level to 5.0% per level
Astrometric Pinpointing- Changes from 10% reduced scan deviation per level to 5.0% per level
Astrometric Rangefinding- Changes from 10% increased probe strength per level to 5.0% per level

Considering that you can sort by scan strength you will most definitly be able to see the bands in the signature strenghts at times where filtering sigs will be timesaving. Obviously if there are only 3 or 4 sigs in the system it might be hard to determine if the highest one is at 5% or 8%, but at those times it is not that much of a difference if you scan them down real quick. In systems where you have about 60+ signatures you will see the different bands in sig strength pretty clearly.
In my opinion this is acutally a pretty nice improvement. This will make people decide at what number of sigs they will still scan out the entire system and when to use the DS method.
I strongly believe that the DS method as it is now is dumbing down the hole scanning process too much.

The only reason so little people draw an advantage out of using DSPs is the lack of astrometrics V and people dodging that train.

Out of all things, a deep space probe is nice to have in a covops, to quickly map a chain in short time. Just think of a c4→c4-chain, normally crowded with sigs, and always a 2 minute scan effort just using a dsp.
If it were to be taken out of the game, I'd consider it a serious punch in the face of people actually being creative at scanning and orientating - and yet another step to decrease the need for actual scanning skill or dependence on.

How is it being "elitist" to say that taking the time to hone your skills and practice should be valued over simply training an extra 14 (or however many) days to use an item which lets you essentially circumvent a large portion of the scanning mechanic? You still have to actually find and resolve the Signature to 100%, so the DSP isn't simply an "easy button", but IMO it should not be so easy to filter out the Anoms that you are not interested in.

In regards to Indo's post;
I believe the point you are making is that taking the time to train a skill should reward you over those who did not take the time to train. I agree with this statement, but I don't believe that there is any other skill in the game which takes only a few days and allows you to cut your effort by such a fraction as the DSP does. For example, lets take a system which has 10 sigs; you could spend a minute scanning each signature until you find the one you are looking for. With the DSP you could have your potential scans instantly cut in half, or a third, or even down to just one signature. There is no other 14 days skill in the game that gives you a 100% increase in your ability to do something and doesn't even require an ISK investment either. The transition to T2 guns does not double your DPS. It does provide a significant increase but it is not an instant "win fights" button.

The point which I was trying to make is that the DSP method provides too significant a reduction in time needed to "Explore" for the investment need to unlock it.

It isn't. Unfortunately what you just said here Isn't what you said up in post #4.


Benefiting from using DSP, and scanning skills are not mutually exclusive. To take what you actually said in post #4 would indicate that if I derive benefit from using DSP's then it must be because I'm too stupid or too lazy to scan properly. I assure you neither is the case.





Nice argument, however you give the DSP too much credit. Similar result can be had using a single combat probe. Although the DSP results will generally be more accurate, especially in large systems.


And the core of this thread is that moving from exact percentages to inexact "strength bars" has the potential to affect everyone's abilities to filter signature strength whether they are using core, combat or DSP.

I will put it simple. I like the scanning minigame as it. Dont mess with it.