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Boe Harknes
The FreeThought Society
#1 - 2013-05-02 17:12:45 UTC
I was incredibly dissapointed when i found that only one character can be training skills per account. So i decided that I want to make an alt account for some non combat game options. I am really looking for something that i can do mostly in highsec. Currently I like the idea of mining. I know people will say its boring but it looks like something i can easily set up on my laptop while i play my main on my PC. I also like the idea of freightering although i see some risk involved mostly with scams. Any advice or guidence would be much appreciated.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-05-02 17:24:19 UTC
Boe Harknes wrote:
I was incredibly dissapointed when i found that only one character can be training skills per account. So i decided that I want to make an alt account for some non combat game options. I am really looking for something that i can do mostly in highsec. Currently I like the idea of mining. I know people will say its boring but it looks like something i can easily set up on my laptop while i play my main on my PC. I also like the idea of freightering although i see some risk involved mostly with scams. Any advice or guidence would be much appreciated.



Give yourself a 21 day buddy invite. When you activate the alt account, you'll get 30 days on each account... this means 51 free days of play time total.


BEWARE the slippery slope. First it is one alt. then next thing you know you are running 4 or 5 accounts.

There is very little that can be done to get true "passive" income, even with a non-PVP alt. Mining in high sec, you're switching rocks, going to station to empty, grinding up standings to get good refine rates, etc. Ice mining paid junk because it was more passive than ore mining, but that is being nerfed big time next month. Most of the other activities pay really poorly, or take lots of time to do well (like the trader penny wars).



Best of luck
Galaxy Pig
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#3 - 2013-05-02 17:46:44 UTC
Be sure to buy a permit, they're required to mine in Highsec now, and keep an eye on local so you can respond when prompted to verify your humanity, otherwise, your ship may be destroyed.

www.minerbumping.com

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#4 - 2013-05-02 18:08:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Galaxy Pig wrote:
Be sure to buy a permit, they're required to mine in Highsec now, and keep an eye on local so you can respond when prompted to verify your humanity, otherwise, your ship may be destroyed.

www.minerbumping.com

Roll

Honestly, could you avoid the trolling / scamming in this forum. This is not the General Discussion forum.
Boe Harknes
The FreeThought Society
#5 - 2013-05-02 18:29:16 UTC
Yeah so i know there are no "permits" to mine in high sec but I am aware that people will blow up botters. As a miner though how tough would it be to hit about 5 million isk an hour. That is roughly what i would need to make to at least be even on my $ to isk ratio in respects to the subscription price vs Plex prices. Should I supplement mining with something else such as ship building? I think that would be really cool to mine and sell ships.
EmmaFromMarketing
Prospect Theory
#6 - 2013-05-02 19:19:54 UTC

Ignore the Jams 31 trolls they get reported for trolling in here, level IV Mining Missions paying about 20m per hour with the exhumer cargo changes and no-one is going to combat scan you down in an out-of-the-way high sec system.
Boe Harknes
The FreeThought Society
#7 - 2013-05-02 19:23:06 UTC
wow so i read about miner bumping. What a bunch of jerks. So how often do you run into the people? Seems like the most obnoxious thing ever.
Lavanya Judra
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-05-02 19:31:48 UTC
Boe Harknes wrote:
Yeah so i know there are no "permits" to mine in high sec but I am aware that people will blow up botters. As a miner though how tough would it be to hit about 5 million isk an hour. That is roughly what i would need to make to at least be even on my $ to isk ratio in respects to the subscription price vs Plex prices. Should I supplement mining with something else such as ship building? I think that would be really cool to mine and sell ships.


Semi-afk (playing more actively in another window) you can definitely make 5mil isk per hour in just a mining barge, sometimes more. I'd advise a procurer or skiff in highsec to make yourself a little less tempting for gankers. Search for a thread called anti-ganker barge fits or something like that. It won't let me link it here.

Also look for the windows app called eve isk per hour, it's helpful to look up ore prices in your region and see how much you could make if you weren't semi-afk.

I run 4 miners so they're all semi-afk just because it's impossible to be in all the windows at once. It's pretty active with 4 though.
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-05-02 20:08:55 UTC
Boe Harknes wrote:
wow so i read about miner bumping. What a bunch of jerks. So how often do you run into the people? Seems like the most obnoxious thing ever.
Personally I applaud their effort to make high-sec less boring. (Even though I find their forum troll annoying.)

As for how often you run into them, that depends on where you are. They operate mostly in and around Halaima in the Citadel. As long as you stay far away from that, you should not encounter them. But that doesn't mean that there isn't someone else that might decide to gank you.

And right now 5 millions ISK per hour is easy to make with semi-AFK mining - it remains to be seem how things will turn out with all the changes to resources in Odyssey.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-05-02 20:35:05 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Galaxy Pig wrote:
Be sure to buy a permit, they're required to mine in Highsec now, and keep an eye on local so you can respond when prompted to verify your humanity, otherwise, your ship may be destroyed.

www.minerbumping.com

Roll

Honestly, could you avoid the trolling / scamming in this forum. This is not the General Discussion forum.


He has been reported.

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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-05-02 20:56:55 UTC
Lavanya Judra wrote:
As a miner though how tough would it be to hit about 5 million isk an hour. That is roughly what i would need to make to at least be even on my $ to isk ratio in respects to the subscription price vs Plex prices.


This assumes 100 hours a month of playing, right? PLEX gor for about 500 million ISK, give or take, so 5 million ISK an hour for 100 hours to justify paying for the account rather than just using that real to buy a PLEX and sell it in game. That is just break even.


the answer is, not as easy as you might think. Most high sec rocks get mined out after a cycle or two, so you have to constantly be targeting new rocks and restarting your lasers. Then there is hauling to station to refine, or taking to a trade hub... or selling below market so that you don't have to hassle with all that.

Passive income is not NEARLY as easy as it may seem.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-05-02 21:16:20 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Lavanya Judra wrote:
As a miner though how tough would it be to hit about 5 million isk an hour. That is roughly what i would need to make to at least be even on my $ to isk ratio in respects to the subscription price vs Plex prices.


This assumes 100 hours a month of playing, right? PLEX gor for about 500 million ISK, give or take, so 5 million ISK an hour for 100 hours to justify paying for the account rather than just using that real to buy a PLEX and sell it in game. That is just break even.


the answer is, not as easy as you might think. Most high sec rocks get mined out after a cycle or two, so you have to constantly be targeting new rocks and restarting your lasers. Then there is hauling to station to refine, or taking to a trade hub... or selling below market so that you don't have to hassle with all that.

Passive income is not NEARLY as easy as it may seem.


If you need 100 hours of work in game for a month of subscription...may I suggest to look for a part time job (or if you are already working, safe up the monthly sub fee).

As it likely will take FAR less time in real life to pay for that sub.

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Galaxy Pig
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#13 - 2013-05-02 21:22:01 UTC
I'm not trolling or scamming, simply addressing the OP's request for advice in my area of expertise. If he's going to be mining in Highsec, he should know that his profession would be a lot easier if he simply bought a permit. You're doing him no favors by telling him that he'll never encounter us outside of the Citadel, that's what all those miners thought right up until they exploded for mining illegally.

He declared his intention to violate the Code, then asked for guidance concerning it, so I advised against it.

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#14 - 2013-05-02 21:34:11 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
I'm not trolling or scamming, simply addressing the OP's request for advice in my area of expertise. If he's going to be mining in Highsec, he should know that his profession would be a lot easier if he simply bought a permit. You're doing him no favors by telling him that he'll never encounter us outside of the Citadel, that's what all those miners thought right up until they exploded for mining illegally.

He declared his intention to violate the Code, then asked for guidance concerning it, so I advised against it.


You did not really give him an advice but rather said "permits are requiered" which is...well... not really true at all Lol
If you had said "You should know there are some people out there that makes it a point to blow up miners in high sec unless they have made a deal with them, so if you are planning to operate in areas they frequently check you might want to look into getting a permit or just watch for local spikes or read local chat" Blink

For the OP.

Mining is a nice thing to do on the side when you are distracted with other things. It does not requiere 100% of your attention and just keeping a half eye on the screen will be good enough most of the time.
Trading might also be something you could be interested in if your just looking for something to do on the side, and of course hauling for people as you already mentioned.

Just keep in mind that there is risks with everything you do in EVE, nothing is 100% safe and there is little you can do to make sure you never get suicide ganked,scammed,harassed or similar.
But find your self a quiet area of space, and mine to your hearts content. Just be careful so you dont end up with 4-5 characters like someone above me already mentioned Lol



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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-05-02 21:36:53 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
I'm not trolling or scamming, simply addressing the OP's request for advice in my area of expertise. If he's going to be mining in Highsec, he should know that his profession would be a lot easier if he simply bought a permit. You're doing him no favors by telling him that he'll never encounter us outside of the Citadel, that's what all those miners thought right up until they exploded for mining illegally.

He declared his intention to violate the Code, then asked for guidance concerning it, so I advised against it.


And again...not giving actual factual information other then some **** that someone thinks is real.

Thus reported again.

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Galaxy Pig
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#16 - 2013-05-02 21:44:50 UTC
You're right, allow me to clarify.

OP, mining permits are only required if you mine in Highsec and don't want your ship to explode suddenly, there is no actual game mechanic that requires you to have one.

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-05-02 21:53:15 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
I'm not trolling or scamming, simply addressing the OP's request for advice in my area of expertise. If he's going to be mining in Highsec, he should know that his profession would be a lot easier if he simply bought a permit. You're doing him no favors by telling him that he'll never encounter us outside of the Citadel, that's what all those miners thought right up until they exploded for mining illegally.

He declared his intention to violate the Code, then asked for guidance concerning it, so I advised against it.



I mine high sec all the time. I've never bought a permit. My ship has never randomly exploded or been bumped off rocks.

My advice is to ignore "new order". they are so 2012.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-05-02 22:08:00 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Galaxy Pig wrote:
I'm not trolling or scamming, simply addressing the OP's request for advice in my area of expertise. If he's going to be mining in Highsec, he should know that his profession would be a lot easier if he simply bought a permit. You're doing him no favors by telling him that he'll never encounter us outside of the Citadel, that's what all those miners thought right up until they exploded for mining illegally.

He declared his intention to violate the Code, then asked for guidance concerning it, so I advised against it.



I mine high sec all the time. I've never bought a permit. My ship has never randomly exploded or been bumped off rocks.

My advice is to ignore "new order". they are so 2012.


This.

Been multiple boxing in EVE for over 2.5 years now. Including high-sec Ore and Ice mining. Never had the trouble of New Order and never will buy permits from some low lifes who can't fight PvP players so have to resort to killing miners

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#19 - 2013-05-03 00:33:34 UTC
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