EVE New Citizens Q&A

Hello everyone, first of all I wanna say that im from Germany. Im sorry if I spell anything wrong or whatever else I try to speak as clearly as I can. I found some posts on this forum like "you wrote word XY wrong blah blah". Sorry for that if my english grammar is broken.

Now to my story (It could get long, sorry ) :
I started playing eve at 26. August 2011. I did my tutorial missions and stuff, after I finished them I were looking for a corporation in the german help chat. It just took 5 minutes till someone whispered me. He invited me to his Teamspeak and we talked a few hours about EVE and his Corporation. Everything sounded "okay" to me since I already got a lot of help in this short time. It was a corp living in 0-sec space deep in the south of eve. I went there without any problem, got a lot of help and all was okay at the beginning. Since I had almost no skill points I salvaged and scouted all the time. I made a ton of money but I still weren't happy. It was a little boring for me so I decided to get a big ship. This was the wrongest decision I ever did. After I lost like 3 or more battleships (from rats, not pvp) I started to hate the game since I felt so useless at this time. I started to logon more rarely and then quited the game after about 3 Months of playing.

I never forgot EVE and all few weeks I was thinking that im wasting so much time not skilling anything. Now finally after 1 1/2 years I decided to get back to the game and make everything better then I did the last time.

I started to look for a corporation and found quickly a new one. Its a very small corporation with a few new players that also just started to play eve. At the moment we do a few missions and sometimes a little bit pvp with small cheap frigates. Our main goal is to do some nice 0-sec pvp later if everyone is "skilled" enough. Our main base is in highsec where we have a small npc-corp called homeguard. They have a few security-mission NPCs from lvl 1 to lvl 4. Everything was okay, I did a few lvl 1 and 2 missions with a destroyer. Then I did lvl 3 missions with a cruiser and it still worked fine except some big missions where I needed help.

Since I still wanna make some nice ISK I decided to try lvl 4 missions. But I am just not able to do them with a BC. So I took all the money I had and bought a almost full Faction / T2 fitted Apocalypse Navy Issue.

Well... I am now able to do those missions. I sometimes need to warp out but thats okay. I still feel so wrong flying around with this 1,8bil heavy thing that moves slower like a turtle. And I still feel like a hard noob that bought a big ship without those needed skillpoints to get better. Currently im at 450DPS, and thats a joke (atleast I think) with a Battleship fitted like that.

So should I go back to lvl 3 missions with a battlecruiser or even a well fit faction cruiser? Should I max out cruisers and get something like an T3 Legion to do lvl 4 missions?

Cause when I now fly lvl 3 missions my head still says to me " do those lv4s, you make more money ".

I just dont know. It would be nice if anyone can tell me what I should do. Cruiser, BC, BS, T3. Or maybe a well fit T2 frig? I dont know and I really would be happy if anyone can help me with this hard question. (atleast hard question for me).

Heres a link to my character & all skills: http://eveboard.com/pilot/Tronnic_Rhodan

Big thanks to any awnsers I get

Have a nice day,
-Tronnic / Franky

Okay so...

Your skills need a lot improvement... especially to command and use a battleship.

In order of priority:

Mechanic skills: focus on being able to use a Tech 2 tank. Skills like "Repair Systems," "Mechanic," and the "armor compensation" skills (e.g. "EM Armor Compensation," "Explosive Armor Compensation," etc) will help in you being able to tank incoming damage better.

Gunnery skills: your skills here are limited and need to be improved. Support skills like "Rapid Firing," "Surgical Strike," and "Motion Prediction" will help you better apply and damage enemies. Level 4 is the minimum level they should be at.

Drone skills: you can use Tech 2 drones... but they will not be as good as they could be unless you spend some time training up their support skills. As with the Gunnery skills Level 4 is the minimum goal.

Posting your ship fit and the tactics you use might also help. It may not be optimized for running missions and that also may be where your problems are.


My recommendation is that you put away your battleship for the time being. You are trying to "upgrade" too fast and your skills are simply are not high enough to use "high end" ships like battleships.

I would suggest going down to battlecruiser or cruiser level and focus on some of your "core skills" (skills that affect all ships... like "Weapon Upgrades," "Engineering," "Electronics," as well as your tanking and gunnery support skills). Get them all up to level 4 and then go back and train them up to level 5 when you have time.

Good idea! BS are just not fun when you don't have the skills. Enjoy the BC. Fun is what you want. When you get the skills, BS can be a blast!

I agree that flying in a T3 cruiser is a lot more fun. And probably wouldn't cost much more than the Navy Apoc you're using currently. Just requires different skills to train up. As a side benefit, with maxed cruiser skills you're a lot more versatile in pvp.

I had a similar experience to the OP.
Currently i am working on some standings by running L4s. At first i used a Maelstrom, maybe the most sluggish piece of scrapmetal ever... wasn't really that much fun.
Meanwhile i was training for Legion, the Amarr T3, for use in exploration. Then i tried using the Legion for the L4s... and it was a way better experience. As long as i can scorch every Webber coming my way, level 4s are easy - and way more fun than in a ship that goes forward at 100m/s.

So my suggestion to the OP: Get a T3. Those things are so versatile, you can use them for all kinds of crap later on if you ever get bored of missioning as well. And if you can afford that Navy Apoc, then ISK shouldn't be a problem for the T3 either. Mine costed like 1.2b, give or take.

I should probably warn you that T2 guns are kind of a must for Amarr, even more so than on other T3s. You can get by for a while with T1 guns on a Maelstrom, for example. But without having access to Scorch ammo, your Legion will lose a lot of its' appeal.

So prepare for a couple of long trains when getting there. Amarr Cruiser V and Medium Energy Turrets V are the big ones.

But it's worth it in the end.

I don't know. Maybe I am just but I have been doing level 4s in a Maelstrom for nearly 3 years now and loving it. Yes, I joke quite often to friend that I am slow boating everywhere, but I love the survivability of it. Like the OP, I did lose my first Maelstrom because I jumped into it too fast. My core skills weren't up to par. I still bought another Maelstrom and changed my mission tactics until my core skills caught up and now I can sit in one spot and tank the incoming fire. Now I just have to get used to the AI change in NPC ships. I am still losing drones even though I am watching them at all times and recalling them when they start taking damage. Some times they are just too far out.

Sorry for the following, but it will be simpler for the OP and me:


Ich kann dich durchaus verstehen. Ich habe zwar auch eine Apoc (non Faction, t2 Fit) im Hangar stehen, aber so wirklich Spaß macht es mit ihr nicht. Sie ist halt ein Arbeitstier.

Bevor du dich in die Legion schwingst, könntest du über einen kurzen Umweg nachdenken.
Die Zealot ist zwar vom Design her ein Liebhaberschiff, aber sie macht unglaublich viel Spaß in Lvl3 Missionen.
Lvl4 bin ich mit ihr noch nicht geflogen.

Der kurze Umweg sind zwei Skills.
Assault Ships (klasse Fregatten fürs PvP),
und
Heavy Assault Ships

Durch die Vorraussetzungen für diese beiden Skills, ziehst du auch gleich ein paar der Core Skills auf V, was du dann später in der Leistung deines Schiffes merken wirst.


Aber auch hier gilt - wie für die Legion - T2 Puls Laser sind quasi Pflicht, weil Scorch einfach die geilste Linse ist, die man in einen Laser packen kann.


MfG
Nihi Lismus


tl;dr:
just suggested a little detour over a Zealot

I know this awnser is quiet late, but thanks for any more tips I got here. :-)

I dont think anyone would enjoy flying a Battleship without a propulsion mod. You could've started with swapping that Tracking Computer for a Microwarpdrive. I'm not a fan of rushing for Battleships by any means, but just selling it seems like a waste now, especially since L4s are more profitable.