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Can someone be mentally handicapped and not notice it or be noticed for it?

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-05-02 04:48:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Do you guys think it's possible for someone to have a mental handicap and for them to simply find alternate ways to do everything, to the point that nobody, including themselves, is aware of the handicap?

Cause sometimes I feel like I'm mentally handicapped. I think so differently from other people, and it is so difficult for me to understand normal people. Nearly every personality trait people take for granted about other people is a trait I don't have.

-edit-had to change the word r e t a r d e d to handicapped because the EVE forums censor it as if it's a bad word. I resent that and find that offensive.

-edit-After thinking about it, I decided that handicapped fits better than the aforementioned and censored R word. It means to slow something down, while a handicap doesn't necessarily stop you but forces you to find a different approach, or just makes it more difficult. That's exactly the right term after all, I guess. But more importantly, people should stop trying to find a label that isn't offensive. It's not the labels that are offensive, it's the attitude with which people view these conditions that is offensive.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

Loco Kamikaze
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-05-02 05:39:50 UTC
******-ed means slowed down, as in retarding the timing of the spark in a gasoline engine. it is quite derogatory.

That said, I show strong signs of schizophrenia, but we're all quite high-functioning.

So to share my opinion on the topic, I think sometimes things go horribly right.

that I should worry about losing my hearing is nonsense, because there will always be -=BASS=-

Indahmawar Fazmarai
#3 - 2013-05-02 06:51:43 UTC
I wouldn't say handicapped unless it meant a serious lack of performance. Just performing in a different way it's not a handicap itself (albeit it sucks most of the time). As owner of an unusual mind, there are things I regret, and things i take pride of.

Anyway, as years go by and i manage to stay alive, I am more and more inclined to just accept that "my way" is how it is and there's no point complaining about the spilled milk.

Sure i would love to be "ordinary" and have something that could pose for an "ordinary life", and also woudl help to have some serious mental disease that could be forwarded as a "tag" so people could try and figure where i am coming from (and then run away), but well, serious mental diseases suck.

If you ever are up to peek a look at mental diseases, I would recommend you a documentary titled "Monkeys like Becky", which in one hand is a little story on Dr. Egas Moniz, the inventor of lobotomy, but also an insider's view on mental diseases and therapy (specifically it adresses schizophrenia, but there's many common grounds covered).
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-05-02 07:16:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmy Zeta
As someone who earns his living by working with patients with mental disorders, let me assure you that the range for "normal" is actually very broad and includes all kinds of minor "neurosis" (for lack of a better word, although the term is technically no longer used). Considering yourself slightly crazy is about the most normal thing there is.


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....to the point that nobody, including themselves, is aware of the handicap?

Cause sometimes I feel like I'm mentally handicapped.....


I don't understand. So are you aware of a mental handicap or not?

You didn't give us any details, but without further information just let me tell you that especially personality disorders or autism spectrum disorders are "dimensional" and can have a wide range of symptoms and severity; the line between "normal" and "sick" is sometimes blurred here.
As a rule of thumb : If you are suffering because of it, if it makes your daily life and social functioning more difficult, it might be a disease and you should go and see a doctor.
Otherwise, consider it just being somewhat odder and a little different from other people. Nothing wrong with that, it could even be a strength - extraordinary people tend to achieve extraordinary things.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-05-02 08:37:19 UTC
It's hard to say if I'm suffering from it, and also hard to say if I really have one primary condition setting me apart, or just a collection of symptoms that make me feel a combination of very lucky and very unlucky with little middle ground. Because of this, it is difficult to describe what sets me apart from others. Every time I try to describe it to myself, it comes out differently. I've always liked the thought that I'm just normal and I know that most or almost all people are not as normal as they pretend to be, but I have often struggled not to be an outcast and with little success.

It's always little social things I have trouble with. I don't understand why we celebrate birthdays as a formality rather than because we actually like the person, or I can't figure out how to get a word in during a conversation because everyone is interrupting each other, or I refuse to avoid a taboo because avoiding it puts it on a pedestal-whether I am for or against it. My mother and many others in my life have told me what to do and become frustrated with me in what they perceived to be defiance. It hurts so much because I am perhaps the most obedient person I have ever known. I became obsessed with obedience at a very early age and was hellbent on figuring out how to follow the vague commands others give me. But no matter what, nobody could make instructions clear to me, and I was generally the only person who was confused.

I am very curious and inquisitive. I have a child-like mentality in that I seem unable to become a responsible adult. Instead I muck my way through life one step at a time, trying not to think about my future because in my mind it's just a dark wall of things that can't be predicted. I have no direction in my life, but I know of a great many things I wish I were. I can't get a job because I can't motivate myself to work for nothing, and seeking work is work that I don't get paid for. It's also a gamble in that I might not find work, and that scares me even more. I fear gambling--I can't stand making a choice that gives up my control. On the other hand, if I never had the control, then it doesn't bother me.

I put everyone else on a pedestal. I naturally feel that everyone is better than me by default. I have difficulty convincing myself to be skeptical of anything anyone says, and I also have difficulty trusting that I am right when someone else disagrees with me. But also I often see things clearly that others don't--I am close to being a genius. Sometimes I get frustrated that something as obvious to me as gravity is just beyond other people's comprehension, and they insist that they know better than me. Then I struggle with myself to decide whether or not the omniscient beings are right when they tell me that two plus two really does equal three.

I'm naturally good at language, vocabulary, grammar, spelling, math, hard sciences, theoretical physics, virtually all artistic concepts. I can imitate others' work and reproduce it much better. I learn slowly but I learn better than others. I comprehend language somewhat like a science fiction android; the words make sense but what I think they mean isn't the same as what others think they mean. I have very limited instinct for intonations and other unspoken language, and I understand what I understand from learning each item bit by bit and cataloging them in my mind. Raw language, on the other hand, has patterns I pick up easily. French, to me, is remarkably similar to English. Many people disagree with me on this.

I have an extremely high tolerance for pain. For a very long time I did not know this about me. I believed that I had an extremely low tolerance for pain. Every time someone would cry in pain, I would believe that their pain was immeasurably greater than any I had ever experienced. Every time I cried in pain, I would admonish myself for being so whimpy. At some point in my adulthood, I started to realize that pain, to me, was no longer something that had a bearability factor. Pain, to me, is an indicator of physical damage. If I can know that a particular pain is not a problem, then it doesn't bother me. Only the damage bothers me. I am certain that if I could give birth--and if there were no complications--it would be one of the easier things I ever did. I always perceive difficulty only in terms of how much of a struggle there is in doing it right, never in how much effort is required or how much torment there is to endure. I am insanely jealous of people who's lives are simple but uncomfortable, who receive recognition and approval for being willing to put up with the physical stress.

Above all else, I seek approval in others. I live for approval. Without people to like me and agree with me, to want me or have use of me, to care about me or my life--without those things I am an empty shell.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

Thelonious Blake
Miles Research and Development
#6 - 2013-05-02 09:10:00 UTC
Sometimes even personality traits are a handicap.

What you wrote sounds very much like a mild form of autism, though as Zimmy Zeta said the spectrum of normal is very wide.

In my honest opinion if you think, if you feel that somewhat your personality is bothering you to the point that you can't live a tranquil (normal is a subjective term) life you should contact a psychologist.

There's a saying that if you question your mental health you ought to be sane.

In no way what I said was meant to sound offensive.
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-05-02 09:10:49 UTC
Wow...now that was pretty personal and in depth. You should have made a throwaway forum alt for that, just sayin'.

From what you have written I cannot give you a specific diagnosis (and I won't ever give a diagnosis via internet, unless to troll people). But I think I understand several things: your problem is that, although you are rather intelligent, you cannot find work and that bothers you. You have a very low threshold for frustration. You feel uneasy in social situations.

Serious advice: quit EVE.
No, really, online games are dangerous for you.
They make you withdraw into a virtual dream world where everything is easier for you than real life, because you get quick gratification and easy rewards within a set of clear, comprehensible rules.
Life isn't like that, not even close.
The more you live in this virtual sandbox, the less you will care for your real problems. As frustration with your real life increases, you will spend more and more time in your virtual life, thus preventing you from solving your RL issues- and so the vicious circle begins.
Online games are like opium for you, potentially highly addictive and and could ruin your life.
You should at least take a break for several months, until you have found a job; maybe resub to reward you for that, but it would be safer to stay away from it as far as you can.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-05-02 09:13:42 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:

Serious advice: quit EVE.
No, really, online games are dangerous for you.
They make you withdraw into a virtual dream world where everything is easier for you than real life, because you get quick gratification and easy rewards within a set of clear, comprehensible rules.


You must be talking about the other MMORPGs out there.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-05-02 09:18:47 UTC
Halete wrote:
Zimmy Zeta wrote:

Serious advice: quit EVE.
No, really, online games are dangerous for you.
They make you withdraw into a virtual dream world where everything is easier for you than real life, because you get quick gratification and easy rewards within a set of clear, comprehensible rules.


You must be talking about the other MMORPGs out there.


You mean being an immortal super-warrior with nearly unlimited money doens't make life somewhat easier?

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-05-02 09:22:15 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:

You mean being an immortal super-warrior with nearly unlimited money doens't make life somewhat easier?


Crazy empowered miserable people don't stop being crazy or miserable. They just call it eccentric.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-05-02 09:28:08 UTC
Halete wrote:
Zimmy Zeta wrote:

You mean being an immortal super-warrior with nearly unlimited money doens't make life somewhat easier?


Crazy empowered miserable people don't stop being crazy or miserable. They just call it eccentric.


True.
Somewhat missing OP's point, but true.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-05-02 09:30:32 UTC
I've been there. I had my spiral out of reality and into the games. Or maybe it could be more accurately described as an extreme lust for games throughout my childhood that exploded into reckless abandon as soon as I was free of the grasp of my parents trying to police my computer time.

But I've reconciled it now. I can easily pry myself away to tackle real life problems--if I have a way to solve them. If I don't have a way to solve them and I don't have a computer, I'll just sulk. It takes nothing away from me and gives me something to do that's better than staring at the wall and finding images that don't exist.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-05-02 09:36:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Halete
I'm just teasing. I don't know, I just found your advice... well, not surprising, but a bit suspect. According to OP he isn't particularly suffering. As you said, feeling that you're a little bit crazy is perfectly normal. I'm mentally effed (that's the technical term I think, I do have a diagnosis and I'm lined up for several courses of treatments) despite having a flourishing social life and I still value my online interactions as a supportive net for when I fall.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-05-02 09:42:50 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
I've been there. I had my spiral out of reality and into the games. Or maybe it could be more accurately described as an extreme lust for games throughout my childhood that exploded into reckless abandon as soon as I was free of the grasp of my parents trying to police my computer time.

But I've reconciled it now. I can easily pry myself away to tackle real life problems--if I have a way to solve them. If I don't have a way to solve them and I don't have a computer, I'll just sulk. It takes nothing away from me and gives me something to do that's better than staring at the wall and finding images that don't exist.


Most of our world is ruled by mediocre people with average intelligence and a lack of visions because people like you prefer to sulk and stare at walls.
The longer you wait, the harder it will get for you to get a job or education.
Intelligence helps, but is not required.
Effort and connections are essential.
Socialize, apply, bring yourself in, find what you are good at and what you want to do- or find someone to tell you what to do.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-05-02 09:44:59 UTC
Halete wrote:
According to OP he isn't particularly suffering.


Yeah.
But then again, do you really believe that he would start a thread with his main and give away so much personal information if he wasn't ?

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-05-02 09:48:07 UTC
I need someone to tell me what to do. I always did best in a structured environment where I am an underling. I spent 5 years in the Marines and I felt like it was a very good home for me, except it seemed to collide with my desire to settle down and start a family. The military environment was not at all conducive to that. Now that I have been out for a few years, I really miss being told what to do in a clear manner that I was actually able to understand. It was great getting recognition for something so easy as doing what I'm told. It was a dream come true for me.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-05-02 09:54:25 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:

But then again, do you really believe that he would start a thread with his main and give away so much personal information if he wasn't ?


Speaking from experience, yes. Sometimes we just need to connect. To share our perspective and see if others can verify how we're feeling.

Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
I need someone to tell me what to do. I always did best in a structured environment where I am an underling. I spent 5 years in the Marines and I felt like it was a very good home for me, except it seemed to collide with my desire to settle down and start a family. The military environment was not at all conducive to that. Now that I have been out for a few years, I really miss being told what to do in a clear manner that I was actually able to understand. It was great getting recognition for something so easy as doing what I'm told. It was a dream come true for me.


That's pretty pertinent. Most countries have specific support groups designed to assist people in your situation. I'm not sure what'd be available in your locality though. Might be worth looking into.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-05-02 10:02:34 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
I need someone to tell me what to do. I always did best in a structured environment where I am an underling. I spent 5 years in the Marines and I felt like it was a very good home for me, except it seemed to collide with my desire to settle down and start a family. The military environment was not at all conducive to that. Now that I have been out for a few years, I really miss being told what to do in a clear manner that I was actually able to understand. It was great getting recognition for something so easy as doing what I'm told. It was a dream come true for me.


I suppose the whole family-thing didn't work out as planed?
But on the plus side, you seem to already know the niche were you can function and be happy at the same time.
So, what's keeping you from going back to the army and find your own family and purpose there?

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-05-02 10:07:21 UTC
Knowing how I want to live and living that way are too very different things. And I'm still figuring out what I want and what I need. I am almost 30 years old and it was just today that I figured out some of the things I mentioned up a ways.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-05-02 10:15:38 UTC
Eccentricity becomes a sickness when you are suffering because of it, be it psychological or social.
Since you feel that your special conditions keeps you from living the life you want, that already qualifies for a sickness.
So I recommend you consult a psychotherapist- changing your life is not an easy task and you will need all the help you can get.
Oh, behaviour therapy, not psychoanalysis.
You want to change your present life, not having some weirdo who wants to talk you into believing that all of your problems stem from subconscious oedipal conflicts in your early childhood (blah blah blah...).

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

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