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How will Dominix optimal/tracking bonus affect non-sentry drones?
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DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
#21 - 2013-05-01 03:41:43 UTC  |  Edited by: DeLindsay
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Really its a pretty significant nerf to DPS. It lost its 25% Hybrid damage bonus at BS V for the the drone tracking/optimal bonus. Really not worth the trade IMHO especially if you don't use Sentry drones.


For PvE you SHOULD be using Sentries in the Domi. For PvP the Domi has (until it's nerf) the highest capable DPS of any (non-Pirate) BS in the game, hence the nerf. Only the Vindi can put out more DPS in a short range capacity than the Domi. Actually, CCP did say they are looking into making actual Drone boats and have Drones on their list as something needing work. Hell even after the loss of the 25% to Hybrids, it'll still be capable of over 1500 DPS with Blasters/Ogres in PvP while being damn hard to kill so what exactly is the problem?

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Tom Guhl
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-05-01 05:56:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Tom Guhl
DeLindsay wrote:
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You know, I admit the general thrust of your post is on target (Ogres and Wasps vs. Light Blasters is a very small exception to a mostly true statement). Therefore, I was content to leave my issue with your post alone ... but it's been bugging me. Call me petty all you want, but if you're using AUGMENTED drones to make a point about the stats of "available" drones, you are very much a black pot living in a glass house.


There are (4) Drones of each type, i.e. Orgres. From T1 -> T2 with 2 varieties in between. Each have a different tracking (yes that's kind of odd and not inline with turrets). Well 2 have the same, 2 have different from the first 2, making it (3) different tracking Ogres.

There are (7) types of Electron Blaster (not even including Faction). From T1 -> T2 with 5 varieties in between. Some would consider that the Cosmos variant isn't "in between T1 & T2". ALL 7 have identical tracking, making them essentially ONE item for your comparison.

As for my statement of "Keep in mind Light Drones have the highest tracking of any weapon in the game, and Heavies better than any turret", my fault in that was only the Ogre as the 'Augmented' Wasp is just as much a Drone as any other Wasp Drone and does indeed have higher tracking than any of the 7 (non Faction) Electron Blasters.

All of this was completely wasted on an oversight by myself which you took upon yourself to compare with a different weapon size entirely, seeming like a petty argument. Blink

First, part of the reason I went to light blasters in the first place is that I knew they operated at extremely close range, as do drones, therefore there would be reason to suspect they both had similarly very high tracking. Heavy drones have better tracking than any BS class turrets? No ****, they operate at a fifth of the range.

Second, while "Augmented" Wasps may well be attainable in the game (at a price of 50 million each in Jita if I'm not mistaken), when was the last time you saw one fielded? I object to the claim that they are a valid module to use to compare stats and you act like their existence overrides the fact that Wasps don't actually have better tracking than Light Electrons. Which is pretty strange IMO because if my quibble was really that meaningless then why are you so desperately trying to undermine it? (In fact, you seem to be taking it more seriously than I did.)
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
#23 - 2013-05-01 07:40:34 UTC
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Second, while "Augmented" Wasps may well be attainable in the game (at a price of 50 million each in Jita if I'm not mistaken), when was the last time you saw one fielded?


When they first came out they were barely more exp than T2, I know, I was playing then and used them to try them out. Anyway moving on.

The Operative: "There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".

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Broxus Maximas
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-05-02 01:24:31 UTC
DeLindsay wrote:
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Really its a pretty significant nerf to DPS. It lost its 25% Hybrid damage bonus at BS V for the the drone tracking/optimal bonus. Really not worth the trade IMHO especially if you don't use Sentry drones.


For PvE you SHOULD be using Sentries in the Domi. For PvP the Domi has (until it's nerf) the highest capable DPS of any (non-Pirate) BS in the game, hence the nerf. Only the Vindi can put out more DPS in a short range capacity than the Domi. Actually, CCP did say they are looking into making actual Drone boats and have Drones on their list as something needing work. Hell even after the loss of the 25% to Hybrids, it'll still be capable of over 1500 DPS with Blasters/Ogres in PvP while being damn hard to kill so what exactly is the problem?


Whatever you think its still a significant nerf and the new bonus does nothing to help any Ogres. Its rather sad to see it get a nerf, it a slow hard hitting whale, (not really anymore)
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-05-02 03:10:05 UTC
people underestimate how much tracking helps turrets and, by extension, drones damage.

Art of Explosions
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
#26 - 2013-05-02 04:47:27 UTC
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Whatever you think its still a significant nerf and the new bonus does nothing to help any Ogres. Its rather sad to see it get a nerf, it a slow hard hitting whale, (not really anymore)


After said nerf the Domi will be capable of roughly the SAME DPS of ALL other T1 BS's and STILL more than several Faction BS's, and even more than several T1 BS's. What most players fail to see (they only see DOMI NERF, GTFO) is the Dominix is probably the single most useful Battleship platform in Eve, period. It excels at PvE and PvP and can fill so many different roles that other BS's just utterly fail at. DomiNeut, BlasterDomi, SnipeDomi, SpiderDomi, LogiDomi, etc. Very few ships in Eve of any size can field so many roles and excel at them all (not all at once derp).

I understand why all the Eve tears over the loss of the highest (cheap) DPS sub-cap ship in the game. Everyone wants their uber OP Domi just like everyone wants their OP kiting A** Minnie/Angel ships (TE nerf lawls). The fact of the matter is, the new bonuses will ADD to the different roles the Domi can fill while keeping it's DPS output in check with all other BS's.

The Operative: "There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".

Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: "You have no idea how true that is".
Azemar
Voidhounds
Pretenders
#27 - 2013-05-02 06:33:02 UTC
Being a WH pilot, I could care less about anything other than light and sentry drones as long as that sleeper AI remains the same. They could add +200% to heavy velocity and they'd still get rammed.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#28 - 2013-05-02 06:42:11 UTC
DeLindsay wrote:
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Whatever you think its still a significant nerf and the new bonus does nothing to help any Ogres. Its rather sad to see it get a nerf, it a slow hard hitting whale, (not really anymore)


After said nerf the Domi will be capable of roughly the SAME DPS of ALL other T1 BS's and STILL more than several Faction BS's, and even more than several T1 BS's. What most players fail to see (they only see DOMI NERF, GTFO) is the Dominix is probably the single most useful Battleship platform in Eve, period. It excels at PvE and PvP and can fill so many different roles that other BS's just utterly fail at. DomiNeut, BlasterDomi, SnipeDomi, SpiderDomi, LogiDomi, etc. Very few ships in Eve of any size can field so many roles and excel at them all (not all at once derp).

I understand why all the Eve tears over the loss of the highest (cheap) DPS sub-cap ship in the game. Everyone wants their uber OP Domi just like everyone wants their OP kiting A** Minnie/Angel ships (TE nerf lawls). The fact of the matter is, the new bonuses will ADD to the different roles the Domi can fill while keeping it's DPS output in check with all other BS's.


Its high dps was always in context of being done mostly by destroyable weapons with travel time and with a relatively thin and slow platform. (no matter how fat it might look, it is (currently) quite thin and very slow for a short range boat).

However any remnant of gallente backstory just received a 1400mm hit to a magazine, blew up, rolled over and sunk, because the warhorse that survived the gallente/caldari war was apparently a shield/autocannon fit. 40 years after the war, I can imagine the documentary films interviewing caldari survivors who all complain that they never knew why their wonder ravens failed until years later it was revealed that the sneaking devious gallente were firing EMP at them!
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