Ships & Modules

Will you actually read the numbers I posted above. It's anything but insignificant. Having two webs on a target, using 90% webs will slow the target down by a factor ten compared to the 60% webs.

Ten times slower. I'll let that one sit for a while.

And using just one 90% web compared to using two 60% webs will slow down the ship twice as much. Twice. That's two times the effectiveness, using half the modules. You get an extra mid slot and a single web working twice as good as two webs on a non-bonused ship.

The sentence "just sa[v]es you a mid slot" I don't understand. How much is an extra mid slot worth to you?

If you are fitting blasters to kite you are doing it wrong.

Once upon a time (pre web nerf), 90% webs were plentiful. In fact, it wasnt that long ago that they were nerfed, so for most of the last 8+ years of eve history, there have been 90% webs. Somehow the universe managed to survive it so far. I think it will be fine. No reason to panic.

I love how you completely missed the point of that argument. I'll see if I can further simplify it:
Tier 3 BCs = range kiting ships.
Blasters = No range
No extra bonus to make the talos MUCH better than its counterparts at close range = useless talos

I wasn't suggesting that it get a range increase at all. The argument is that a ship whose shipclass dictates the use of a certain trait, combined with a race that doesn't actually possess said trait, makes a useless ship.

Think of it this way: Remeber when all the stealth bombers that weren't the manticore had 2 launchers instead of 1? (If you don't that's OK, they just legitimately used to be like that). In a time where HACs were over 200mil, the non-caldari bombers costed about 2mil each, because at the end of the day, claiming that the non-caldari ships should have crap SBs, because SBs use missiles and that's caldari's thing, was a terrible idea.

Alternately, again using caldari as an example, consider this: Claiming that the talos shouldn't possess some sort of added bonus, given its current role, is akin to arguing that the chimera should only be able to launch at most 6 fighters. After all, caldari are supposed to be the gimped drone race, so why can their carriers field the same number of fighters as all the others?
Zero chance? Use a cloak, use a scout, use some WCSs. If they actually have a legitimately instalocking talos on the gate, you'll end up warping off most of the time anyway; do you have any idea what a pair of 90% webs does to your align time?

Or hell, bring some friends and just bust the camp; aside from alliances looking to defend/claim space, gatecamps are pretty much the form of pvp of choice by people who can't actually pvp. You know exactly what they have, exactly where they are, and more often than not, you have gateguns on your side. The odds aren't actually stacked against you, assuming you can embrace the whole multiplayer part of MMORPG.

That's 4 perfectly viable ways to deal with a gatecamp, and while nothing will work 100% of the time, that's kind of the idea; nothing should be completely immune to gatecamps, since their whole purpose is catching people.

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean.

First of all, why use a 100 m/s ship as base? Naturally, it doesn't matter if that ship is going at 5, 10 or 20 m/s. But it does make a difference if the ship is going 50, 100 or 200 m/s. It makes a huge difference. In a Talos, even with tracking bonuses, you're not going to be able to hit a ship going at 200 transversal. Also, the time it takes the ship to reach the gate is a factor. At 200 m/s he may just make it.

I agree it's all a lot of "ifs" and "perhaps". But that said, I wouldn't underestimate 90% webs. I've hit frigates with Tachyons using a single 90% web, simply by aligning to reduce transversal. That could not be done with a 60% web.

Lastly, when you say that 100 times slower is just a 9% gain over 90%, you're missing the point. It's not a 9% gain, it's a 9 percent-point gain. It's the same with resistances. If you have 50% resistance and add a 50% hardener, you reduce incoming damage by 50%, even though your resistance "only" goes up to 75%. It's a 25% difference in the actual resistance value, but it's a 50% difference in damage taken. And that's what matters.

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Ah, sad Panda The changes to the Oracle pretty much changes it into a flimsy Harbinger with guns that can't hit. I seriously hope they'll reconsider. The new Tier 3 BCs added some flavor with the ability to use Large guns, but if they end up incapable of applying the damage, then nobody will use them.

I'm sure we'll see more changes before they get released. Ripples in the water.