Player Features and Ideas Discussion

there was once CAOD. nobody goes there.

Do you know why people do not truly want to go to nullsec?

- Nullsec is full of bitter players (just see above the troll people that even replied this post)
- Nullsec has probably more Multiboxers than other system types since there are more at stake
- Skills and training time play too big part on performance. My skills are now mostly 3-5 but I know that I can still squeeze up to 15% capability out of ships. So I rather sit in high sec and low sec than go to place where most of people have 15% more capability to fly their ships than me.
- If I wanted to PVE (regain losses) without ratting by running missions or more difficult sites. I am more often forced to form mega tank against 2 elements. Which makes me easy and predictable target for PVPers.
- I want game that I can relax in and when I am forced to fight over resources and systems the game can turn to something more than enjoyable not relaxed game play anymore. I know why FCs yell at people. I have been raid leader of wow which is not PVP but yet **** up of one means that everyone suffers.

Thanks to ship rebalancing null sec is more appealing. Since I could even fly logistic or different roles with smaller losses now but truth is that null sec is full of bitter vets. You can see them all over the forums try to guard their own back. Its circle of people some are even the game devs.

I won't ever pay for 4-5 accounts or want to fly them at the same time yet I know that I never can fight against those people that have that. I have already had that experience in low and wormhole. I do not need null to see it too.

Whiner? I brought on topics that are truth in eve. And at least I bring on a point instead of flaming on someone that does.

Fixed that for you. I would say you are more "bitter" than any "bitter vet" I've spoken to. Congratulations. You win a prize. You can collect it in WoW.

"fair PVP" is defined by the winners

congratulations, 1 line in the entire post. perhaps you should have read the whole thing, not just the first line?

or were you too busy being blobbed by a guy with 5 accounts?

i sort of take offense to the "bitter old vet" phrase so loosely thrown about.


i have 2x2003 accounts, and 1x2004 account. there is nothing bitter about me or 95% of my corp. we love new people, helping out. care bearing, pvping, constucting things, teaching others....you name it, we enjoy it in 1 way or another.

we dont do the high sec ganking as we feel those players are dishonest.

our policy is NBSI because everyone who comes down to where we are is looking for pvp.
ive been in NRDS areas before and they are tough because you are forced to trust peeps you dont know.

but, there is nothing bitter about me or my corp.



the only bitterness i hear from this is coming from you Theia.
you are bitter that you cant go into null sec and make money so you generate all these "facts" and claim thats what the problem is and then you blanket stereo type all of us whom you DONT know and throw us under the bus.

back to the OP, it think having a null sec area in the forums would be great. share tips and tricks on survival, thriving in lawless space and things that could make life easier.

How does it feel to be more risk adverse than a lower Sp pilot? I may live in null but I'm neither bitter nor a vet.

I respect your choice for wanting to gun food to other people. Not everyone want to come to skills are not simply high enough. Eve has run already 10 years meaning there are tons of people that have 25% improvements for many skills and systems. For example we have skills that improve cap regen and amount both. In total these skills make 50% cap regen boost. Or how about guns? Simply T2 guns and ammo can already boost your DPS against right target type a lot. Yes you can always buy faction or officer weapon systems but does someone actually do that for null?

My point being when you think about all the improvements you get from skills. You most likely face person that is WAY more capable flying ship you fly against with more EHP (through resistance skills, jadada), more damage ( rate of fire skill, universal damage skill, gun skill ). When you sum this all up its not just 1-5% but your ship is way way worse than the opponents (in likely scenario). So you for sure get to lose lot of ships if you solo. You probably survive better in gangs.

Gangs are nice for starter but is there enough similar size gangs that there would be more tight and fair fights? I understand that in null you want to blow up intruders same as in wormholes but I still find it sad that travel in low / null sec is so risky. Especially when travel does not involve gain of any money (unless you freight) yet everytime you go through a gate it can be massive risk. Especially if you do it alone, since you most likely run into gang and have virtually no chance to either escape or even blow up one ship. Flying through gates.. the risk and reward is for not sure in balance because you don't gain any money from jumping through gate.

EVE would not be eve if ships were not blown up. I love EVE because it has one of the most functioning economies in games! Just that I wish it could be tiny bit wiser in some parts.

As far specializing some ships it was not easy before but has become much better since CCP balanced the T1 small ships. Flying frigate is much easier than battleship or battlecruiser that matter. But are nullsec wars won by people flying in t1 frigates or cruisers? Maybe some battles have been won using such small ships but battleships, capitals and titans play too big role in todays null sec games that you can ignore them. Mastering or getting even fair skills with battleship type can be very time taking. It does not take 5 years but it does for certain take long time.

I do not know why people keep bringing up WOW. Its ****** game now. Vanilla was ok but todays its mere shade what the game used to be. And even vanilla did not compare to EVE since it never had working market. Trade skills were always broken. I love EVEs industry and yes ship losses are vital to keep it going.

Every potential group I find in eve has these teen angst who think they are in top of the world. I am so full of these antisocial guys even in these forums that troll and misbehave. Maybe I find nice bunch of people sometime but it seems to be very hard in eve very very hard.

I have been to WH and it was fun for its time but WH people have often laughed how long CCP ignored problems with WH posses. It was seriously nightmare. WH is although probably one of the nicest PVP elements in the game since it often promotes fair PVP due to WH mass and time limits. You can't fly blops throught them as easily you do in null. I also like the fact that WH lacks local. It makes you rely on game sensors more than simply looking at local giving much more nice and immersive gameplay experience. But sadly WH comes at its price, last time I was there you were not able to see market or make any interractions outside WH that you could possibly do. Yes I know you can have alt do it for you. But who likes login to separate character to do some basics mechanics in the game? Thank you for bringing up WH because that could be one of my goals in odyssey since they actually address some of the issues that existed in WH space.