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Solving the Illegal Immigrants Problem

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-05-01 01:30:31 UTC
So yeah.... just wandered into another Facebook page for the "conservatives" of facebooks who at the best way I can put it ... are slightly racist and a simpleton.
They were calling for mass exodus of all illegal immigrants and their families back to their home regardless of their safety...
Some are asking them to pay for the return trip(with what...)

I once again got a brainwave.


YES!
Illegal immigrants should be deported on the basis that .
1: Their deportation wouldn't send them into certain death or persucetion by the local authorities.
2: They won't become a possible terrorist threat if they were deported and start holding a grudge against the states.

HOWEVER!
On humaninitarian grounds , we shouldn't deport them if such isn't the case.
Thats why we have political asylums seekers and refugees.
However , as refugees , they shouldn't have the same benefits as enjoyed by the citizens until they've been proved to be a useful member of society. (Ohh the irony)
Therefore,I propose this.

Setup refugee camps for those illegal immigrants that failed those test.
They will spend 4 years in the camp.
Working day labour jobs , basic manufacturing or perhaps some advanced office jobs if they are skilled to pay for their food and beds.
They'll be paid on minimum wage during their stay, at which time they can use to buy stuff from the little shops (kinda like the French Legionaire fire base shops)
At the same time, they'll be provided with a basic training scheme to ready them for life in America. Such as English classes . History lessons to teach them about the virtues of their new temporarary home.
At the end of the 2 years , they'll be offered whether they want to stay or not.
If they do , we move them to a training site , where under the supervision of an instructor will attempt to blend him into the society.
If it worked , he's a free man with a green card.
If not , he's back to the labour camps.

This way , the country won't be spending as much money on illegal immigrants.
We'll get some bonus labour from them.
If they decide to stay ,they'll be trained and cultured , ready for independent lives.
And we won't look like an arse for kicking them out because "they are more competitive than we are , and more hardworking".

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Michael Stabb
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-05-01 01:38:56 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
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If they decide to stay ,they'll be trained and cultured , ready for independent lives.


"Cheese? This is not cheese. Brie is cheese. Camembert is cheese ... this is yellow plastic."

On a serious note, won't they get a bit rattled and rioty when they're held in camps? Who says being held in a camp won't make them worse? I mean, some claim that traditional prisons do more harm than good.

Just a thought.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-05-01 01:46:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivy Romanova
Michael Stabb wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
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If they decide to stay ,they'll be trained and cultured , ready for independent lives.


"Cheese? This is not cheese. Brie is cheese. Camembert is cheese ... this is yellow plastic."

On a serious note, won't they get a bit rattled and rioty
they're held in camps? Who says being held in a camp won't make them worse? I mean, some claim that traditional prisons do more harm than good.

Just a thought.


it works fine in Brazil and the Philippines and Ofc China.
They either stay or we send them off to certain death.
If they are going to stay , we might as well as make use of them lol

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stoicfaux
#4 - 2013-05-01 01:59:21 UTC
Uhm, the US already has "labor camps."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10/prison-labor_n_2272036.html
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-prison-industry-in-the-united-states-big-business-or-a-new-form-of-slavery/8289
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/06/prison-labor-pads-corporate-profits-taxpayers-expense
Just google on "us prison labor".

It's gotten to the point that such prison labor companies are now allowed to bid on government contracts, which with cheap prison labor, they're almost certain to win, thereby putting the "honest" companies with good citizen workers at a severe competitive disadvantage.

However, the idea of labor camps as proving grounds for immigrants would probably fail because the immigrants would have too many rights and freedoms. There's currently a lot of money to be made in the prison building and private-run prison businesses, so anything that creates more prisoners would be more desirable.

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#5 - 2013-05-01 02:00:13 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Michael Stabb wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
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If they decide to stay ,they'll be trained and cultured , ready for independent lives.


"Cheese? This is not cheese. Brie is cheese. Camembert is cheese ... this is yellow plastic."

On a serious note, won't they get a bit rattled and rioty
they're held in camps? Who says being held in a camp won't make them worse? I mean, some claim that traditional prisons do more harm than good.

Just a thought.


it works fine in Brazil and the Philippines and Ofc China.
They either stay or we send them off to certain death.
If they are going to stay , we might as well as make use of them lol


It worked pretty well for the Germans and Americans in WW2 also Big smile

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Infinitio Krystallos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-05-01 02:32:26 UTC
OP's head belongs in a gas chamber.
Slymah
DorpCorp
#7 - 2013-05-01 03:23:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Slymah
R- Cheap labor is good
D- Votes are good


Don't expect anything to happen soon!



p.s. If anyone really wanted to stop illegal immigration all it would take is to go after the employers.
Commissar Akiga
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-05-01 04:24:37 UTC
If people are coming to your country to seek refuge then of course the country should make an effort to include them and give them a chance at adapting to the society they're now a part of.

What I don't like is people that break laws by going past countries that they should legally claim refuge in and come to my country because the government bends over backwards for them.

But yes, if they're here then we may as well try and help them reach their potential and be a valuable asset to our society.

I personally don't think it's that big of an issue... I consider the unmitigated immigration from Europe to my country a more serious matter, but that's another scenario and conversation entirely.

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#9 - 2013-05-01 04:31:31 UTC
Commissar Akiga wrote:
I personally don't think it's that big of an issue... I consider the unmitigated immigration from Europe to my country a more serious matter, but that's another scenario and conversation entirely.


I think we are through the worst of this internal migration from the EU, the Polish economy never went into rescession. Funnily enough though I've been in cafe's and overheard a Polish chap complaining that the Spanish were undercutting them and not working as hard... Irony was palpable but Polish is now the second most used language in the UK.

More concerned about immigration from outside the EU into the EU...

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-05-01 05:58:16 UTC
Commissar Akiga wrote:
If people are coming to your country to seek refuge then of course the country should make an effort to include them and give them a chance at adapting to the society they're now a part of.

What I don't like is people that break laws by going past countries that they should legally claim refuge in and come to my country because the government bends over backwards for them.

But yes, if they're here then we may as well try and help them reach their potential and be a valuable asset to our society.

I personally don't think it's that big of an issue... I consider the unmitigated immigration from Europe to my country a more serious matter, but that's another scenario and conversation entirely.


We DO make an effort to assimilate them into the civilization .

If we just release them into the society uncultured, they would just form little pockets throughout the city , tending to themselves instead of reaching out . (the opposite also hold true).

If the immigrants are allowed to stay, it would be the government's responsibility to make sure they will be part of the country instead of relying on welfare due to inability to fit into the puzzle.

The herd will never changes direction to attend the new stragglers , its not cruelty , its just basic fact .

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ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#11 - 2013-05-01 06:01:57 UTC
"3. Discussions about politics and religion not allowed, there are other websites with forums for these topics."

From here.


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