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Personal hangers - Just how useful are they going to be?

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Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#1 - 2013-04-30 08:29:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Xen Solarus
So, most of the wormhole community has been asking and waiting for POS changes to make our lives less difficult. With the introduction of Personal hangers being the first thing we've seen. But, the question remains, just how useful do you think they will prove to be?

Lets assume they're going to be 40k space per user. Does anyone actually think that is a sufficent size? Personally, i could sneeze anything into that and fill it instantly, a single itty 5 haul would fill it. Also, with the SMA staying the same way, many sensible corps will continue to be forced to store expensive assembled ships in their tabs for security. 40k space is barely enough for a single ship.

Personally, i can't see them being very useful if kept at such a tiny size. I really hope CCP makes them alot bigger. Continuing to use corp hangers between 7 players gives you 200k each, 5 times the size of personal hangers, and large arrays are even better still at 2.6mill each, 60 times larger! For industrial corps that mine, PI or rat to large degrees, 40k space is nothing. They will be forced to continue using the old, broken system. (Though i guess the grav site changes killing mining might help with volumes!)

But it's certainly a step in the right direction, and i can see it being useful for members that don't have expensive ships or deal with large volumes of items, and it does allow infinite members per POS rather than just 7. I foresee a new distinction for wormhole players, a seperation between those trusted enough to use a tab in a corp hanger/array, and those relegated to the tiny personal hangers.

/discuss

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Efraya
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OnlyFleets.
#2 - 2013-04-30 09:54:46 UTC
The value of your assets in a wormhole isn't in your hanger, it's in your ships and the ships maintenance array. No doubt its the first stab at CCP segregating assets in the pos, with ships next on the list.

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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-04-30 10:08:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Of course it will be useful to some people. It's not going to be that beneficial to everyone but for people that have high value items that don't take up a lot of room, it's ideal. Think of it as an uncrackable safe/lockbox.
AtomYcX
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-04-30 11:09:44 UTC
Personally I think it's a good step in the right direction - especially if you can anchor several of them and they don't take too much PG/CPU.

Even 40k of private space is probably enough space for me personally as far as items go - typically I just store ammo, spare mods and loot - none of which take massive amounts of space. If you need to store a load of cap mods, ore, etc then just use the old CHAs.

Nero Pantera
ATRAX.
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2013-04-30 13:19:07 UTC
It would be nice if one could link the accounts together. For that occasion when you stored a ship under a character and hes in k space with out a way in..and your other characters can find fly the ship needed
ArmEagle Kusoni
Knights of Nii
The 20 Minuters
#6 - 2013-04-30 15:21:02 UTC
Nero Pantera wrote:
It would be nice if one could link the accounts together. For that occasion when you stored a ship under a character and hes in k space with out a way in..and your other characters can find fly the ship needed

That exactly what my first thought was. But I guess I can still use the old SMA for stuff I want to share.
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-04-30 15:30:37 UTC
There are a few issues that need to be clarified.

Who has access to the CHA?

What happens if the user goes inactive and the CHA needs to be unanchored? Is the stuff protected, and how? And if it is protected, how can it not be exploited?

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Atlantis Fuanan
Wormhole Research Inc.
#8 - 2013-04-30 15:57:44 UTC
I thought that new POS module will provide room for items only (ammonution, modules - no ships). So in some cases i think it can be very usefull to avoid issues with access rights to personal hangars and to (probably) reduce the ammount of Corporation Hangar Array in a POS. For Ships.... i think SMA won't die that soon.

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Marsan
#9 - 2013-04-30 17:15:10 UTC
Honestly I prefer that they shrink the number of people able to use it and boost the cap for each user. Then if you need people storing stuff just anchor more. Personally I'd be happier if they allowed me to anchor cans inside the POS. That would allow more flexibility. I could for example allow allies inside the FF and they could anchor can for their corp.


Still it's a start most of my expensive stuff is pretty small. I'm generally less concerned if someone steals my gas, ore, ammo, and random just in case I need to fit X mods. It's my T3 parts, deadspace mods and nano ribbons. As it is now I have an Orca alt who stores my T3s, dead space mods and high end loot.

Of course it's all mostly meaningless unless we have private space to store a couple of cruisers....

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Playboy Enterprises
Dark Taboo
#10 - 2013-04-30 17:46:28 UTC
Marsan wrote:
Honestly I prefer that they shrink the number of people able to use it and boost the cap for each user. Then if you need people storing stuff just anchor more. Personally I'd be happier if they allowed me to anchor cans inside the POS. That would allow more flexibility. I could for example allow allies inside the FF and they could anchor can for their corp.


Still it's a start most of my expensive stuff is pretty small. I'm generally less concerned if someone steals my gas, ore, ammo, and random just in case I need to fit X mods. It's my T3 parts, deadspace mods and nano ribbons. As it is now I have an Orca alt who stores my T3s, dead space mods and high end loot.

Of course it's all mostly meaningless unless we have private space to store a couple of cruisers....


I currently use an Enormous Freight Container in our POS. A few people use Giant Secure containers. As long as you use them actively you shouldn't have any problem with them disappearing. Only problem is if you want a lot of space with the freight container you have 0 security. Then the giant secure container hardly holds anything.

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AtomYcX
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-05-01 06:03:03 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:
There are a few issues that need to be clarified.

Who has access to the CHA?

What happens if the user goes inactive and the CHA needs to be unanchored? Is the stuff protected, and how? And if it is protected, how can it not be exploited?



From what I've read before (can't remember where) it's going to be a single module, with infinite space where each character can be allocated up to a certain m3 limit (not announced yet). It's using code borrowed from the POCOs apparently. If a member leaves no one can access their items and they're destroyed when the module is unanchored.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-05-01 06:34:36 UTC
Basically theyre going to be extremely useful to small corps living out of a single POS, not so much to large established WH groups.

TBH, until they add a ship storage one too, it's really not THAT useful.
Don't get me wrong, i think theyre a great idea, but they need the ship version too before i let anyone i dont have an address for in RL live at my POS ;).

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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-05-01 22:43:10 UTC
I think they're going to be very handy. Not game-changing or anything, but useful nonetheless. Life will go on just like now, except that we'll be able to park those odds and ends that we'd rather not go into a common tab - skill books, high-value modules, mods that you keep on hand for a quick refit that people keep 'borrowing' from the corp's fitting tab, and so on.
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#14 - 2013-05-02 00:19:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Xen Solarus
Jack Miton wrote:

TBH, until they add a ship storage one too, it's really not THAT useful.
Don't get me wrong, i think theyre a great idea, but they need the ship version too before i let anyone i dont have an address for in RL live at my POS ;).


This is basicly my opinion too. I was looking forward to these new hangers as i thought it might enable me to recruit some people i don't personally know, as the risks of them being complete dicks and trying to steal everything they can get their hands on would be reduced.

Though as it stands, ships will continue to be completely vunerable, forcing them to be stored seperately from the SMA. As it stands, thats the old system. But i guess i could recruit some complete noobies that can't fly the expensive things. What?

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Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#15 - 2013-07-01 16:21:38 UTC
Right so they're here! Personal hangers! Giving you a tiny 50k space, but none-the-less providing a completely safe area for your "stuff". Am i right, however, in that it's completely impossible to transfer things between characters? Doesn't that kind of kill its usefulness?

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Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-07-01 17:26:00 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
Right so they're here! Personal hangers! Giving you a tiny 50k space, but none-the-less providing a completely safe area for your "stuff". Am i right, however, in that it's completely impossible to transfer things between characters? Doesn't that kind of kill its usefulness?

You can have a CHA tab for that sort of stuff juggling, or you know, use a jetcan ;)
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#17 - 2013-07-01 18:48:09 UTC
Does stuff drop outta of these like normal cha? or is it the no drop 'working as intended' sma variety Cry
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#18 - 2013-07-01 19:52:39 UTC
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote:
Xen Solarus wrote:
Right so they're here! Personal hangers! Giving you a tiny 50k space, but none-the-less providing a completely safe area for your "stuff". Am i right, however, in that it's completely impossible to transfer things between characters? Doesn't that kind of kill its usefulness?

You can have a CHA tab for that sort of stuff juggling, or you know, use a jetcan ;)


What about people that have no access to tabs? A POS couldn't possibly work with just personal hangers, you'd need to mess around transfering stuff between players in space. I thought these personal hangers were supposed to be a step in the direction of actually fixing the terrible POS security mechanics, allowing you to have multiple members using a POS. As it stands, we're mostly forced to rely on the old system.

Here's to me hoping CCP make a few tweeks to these personal hangers, and make them at least semi-useable. Shocked

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Matarella
Incognito Mode
Brotherhood of Spacers
#19 - 2013-07-01 20:07:52 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
Right so they're here! Personal hangers! Giving you a tiny 50k space, but none-the-less providing a completely safe area for your "stuff". Am i right, however, in that it's completely impossible to transfer things between characters? Doesn't that kind of kill its usefulness?


Then it would not be a personal hangar anymore would it?
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
#20 - 2013-07-02 00:49:50 UTC
Best part is if someone were to leave corp and leave their 40 bil of stuff behind. You can't touch it, It's lost to bob forever.
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