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…in which case highsec wins hands-down. Again: the point is that your notion that mongoo “fixes” things hinges on it being more than just an industrial product, in which case it's trivially outdone by other more-than-industrial-products that are available in highsec, so it fails to counterbalance anything.

In fact, let's go back to that old question you never answered: what is the nature of this “balance” you seem to think exists?

Highsec has: far better means of production in every way imaginable and access to some of the (economically) best resources in the game. This is balanced out by nullsec's having… what?

This problem is already solved through social and political means, not economical or military, and is not a good reason to maintain a massive industrial imbalance. It certainly isn't a reason to keep a system where player-controlled space offers less freedom to players over NPC-controlled space.

I think what the OP means, atleast if I were to say it.... is that per LIVE PLAYER CONTROLLING THE PILOT but meh, I just know it's just way easier to plex 20 accounts and run industrial fleets as opposed to sitting at your keyboard and doing your own clicking in null.

It's a matter of involvement, not access.

Sure lack of access IS there, not going to try to say it isn't. But you gotta admit, highsec allows for alot of bot aspirant-cy(sp?) that actually ENCOURAGES the imbalance.

As much as we can argue the semantics of the OP, the idea is still correct, just the delivery is wrong methinks.

It does come down to the individual player as the cause, but it also comes down to the mechanics. Noone is forced to maximize the use of the mechanics to their full benefit, but utilizing it and then saying it's broken simply makes that person a hypocrite unfortunately =(.

Or because you can afk defend the pos and also mine on a diff account therefore tossing out all those "500 man hours" out the window bringing in more than 10b a month.

Using the given math and mechanics of active versus passive income.

We went over this before in that other thread. They aren't comparable. It was proven then and proven now.

But think of the highsec wars. Think of the activity you would bring out of highsec!

So you're literally saying that the problem isn't that nullsec has only 3% of the production facilities, it's that we fight too much?

I just want to be clear on this one. Too many fights?

One last post before I hunker down for 10 hours of delivering deliverables in real life.

I don't find an argument in differences in wealth laughable.

I'm not the only one who finds the industrial imbalance argument laughable; I'm just the one who used the most obnoxious phraseology. (If you're still arguing it when I've been away 8 hours, (or if you just look back in this thread) you'll have your proof of the previous sentence).

Yes, there are problems with null sec industry. Fixing problems can be good.

But I can just as easily state that there are CHALLENGES in null-sec industry. If I put it that way, we will be removing challenges from null-sec. Doesn't sound nearly as elite, though, does it?

And regardless, the shake-up is happening whether anyone agrees on justifications or not. I elected null-sec CSMs and I feel that I'm seeing results from that. I don't care if we got our way from your brilliant maths, or because someone is holding a dev's daughter in a russian gulag. We're getting more yummy yummy slots. Although corp/alliance leaders can STILL tell me I can't use them because there are more important uses for them.

The best argument for the resource shake-up I've heard is EvilWeasel's argument for a vibrant local economy. Sounds wonderful, and we can probably do more to make it happen.

There are still more posts above I haven't addressed yet but you'll be wrestling other posters on your industrial imbalance justification for the next 10 hours. Have fun.

No, that people think you should provide the ammo needed for all those fights. The idea is flawed. Null industrialists are saying they should be able to to supply their constant fights with self made (in null ammo).

*Snip* Please refrain from RL analogies. ISD Ezwal

Null is richer as a by product to afford to import. Highsec doe snot have the caliber to have the same kind of fights null has.

Therefore it's not a "balance" to be even. But a checks and balances system. One that null tends to forget.

Not bringing anything new, but this lovely piece of infographic, courtesy of CCP Quant, demonstrates several points made in this discussion quite well.

producing locally doesn't change the price of a ship.

Buy orders for technetium are 14k in Jita atm.