EVE General Discussion

So what you're saying is that we should adapt game play for the people who refuse to put a bit of effort into learning a specialised mechanic? Really?



p.s. Yes, the vast majority of people on this planet are dumb as fck and lazy to boot. If you haven't noticed that yet then you just might be part of the problem.

Less effort doesn't mean better.

It's not unwieldy at all, that's my point. We don't need automated probe placement, we don't need faster probing, we don't need easier probing. What we need is a few changes which I listed, and then it's fine.

Lets see;

- probing takes effort, so lets remove it all together and make it so you can rightclick and warp to anyoen you want, including hostiles not in your fleet.

- having to make isk generally takes effort, so lets remove it and make everything free of cost.

- putting in the time to think up a decent fit for your lvl 4 mission runner takes effort, how about we make NPC so easy you just have to add damage mods

- understanding and making use of tracking takes time and effort, lets just remove all that nonsense and make it so that turrets always hit for full damage. It also means less time lost, double win!

- learning the ins and outs of PVP takes effort, lets just all do a dice roll, highest one wins.

- creating a proper corporation and alliance to wage war in 0.0, to take or defend space takes effort. Lets just remove all that and create instances for each alliance where they can pve in peace


The ONLY real currency in EVE that has any value is effort; not isk, not SP and not ship size. That's why the vast majority of alliances are terrible and couldn't defend themselves from a dead rat and that's why there's just a very few entities that do well. It's also why most people are followers, cattle, zergers and there's only a few FC's, tacticians and people who actually make a difference.


So yes, stuff taking less effort isn't better.

Because everything you wrote could be condensed into that exact sentence I quoted; "waaah, stuff takes effort to learn and use!".

Do you really want me to link your shitfits and comment on them?

Also, your reply tot the tracking thing shows your understanding of it all. Congrats, you're part of the 99%.

You questioned my "less effort doesn't mean better" statement, I gave you some examples that make sense within EVE. The fact that these examples aren't necessarily directly related to the thread subject is here nor there.

ok.


From now on we can just mail goods, ships and everything to each other without the need to transport it, just like other MMOs have. It's less effort, other MMO's have it too and it just makes everything less annoying, dangerous and a whole lot easier and cheaper.

yes/no?

Cool ,that is why **** tons of new mission runners die in lvl4 missions,and come to forum to cry how some ships are bad.Sadly no one told them that for some fits you need skill points too.

I hope new players are not asking you how to fit ships ,cause you like google to much.

What is funny ,all this about scanning was also so easy to find on that same google.

Seriously; Effort is the only thing that matters within EVE, it's the one reason why it's different from other MMO's in that respect. Everything stems from effort and the only people who matter to the game, your corp and alliance are the ones who put in effort to make stuff happen.

Stuff taking effort isn't a bad thing, it's a GOOD thing because it means achievements and accomplishments have value. If every 3 man corp could do moon mining then the produce would have no meaning nor value. If everything would take less time it would have less value.

Stuff taking effort means that people can excel and others (either because they're dumb as a brick or just refused to put in effort) fail. Without people failing there's no value in winning. Without the "glory", advantages and bragging rights from winning there is no point in playing EVE as a player driven PVP sandbox.

I'll fully agree that the scanning UI needs some cleaning up and that it needs a few changes, but what it doesn't need is being made easier or faster.

Again, I simply replied to your broad statement, if you want me to stick to the subject at hand don't make broad statements :)





And yes, scanning is already almost too fast (And I'm a prober, have done so since 2005). It's close to being too good for the prober rather than the target. Making it easier/faster would make that even worse.