Ships & Modules

For short range turrets (autocannon, blasters, pulse) you get more benefits out of training the spec skills because t2 ammo is pretty nice for these turrets.
Long range turrets (artillery, rails, beams) don't seem to have very good t2 ammo in comparison. In fact I see more often than not, fits with meta 4 turrets and faction ammo which is more cost effective with the slower rate of fire.
Am I wrong in saying that its a better use of time to just skip the spec skills for long range guns? Or am I missing examples of how t2 ammo for them being beneifical? Sure you do get the extra damage, but is it worth it? Especially for large guns?

I suppose I had two questions mixed into one. Mainly why does it seem that t2 ammo for long range guns seem ignored compared to short range?

He has something here. look at the stats of Gleam L compared to IN Multi L and T1 Multi L

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Gleam_L

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Imperial_Navy_Multifrequency_L

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Multifrequency_L

Gleam has less range and damage, And less tracking.

Granted Aurora L is better then its T1 and Faction counterparts. (More damage and range)

Still has worse tracking than pulses

The short range ammo in long range guns is generally neat to have for a worst case scenario.. The long range ammo's tracking however tends to be so bad you're better off using Faction

Faction ammo?

the only T2 ammo for long range guns ive pretty much ever used in tremor and spike. in both cases purely for the extreme range so i guess aurora could also be useful there too but given how good scorch is, beams are rarely a good choice over pulse.
none of the high DPS t2 ammo is any good.

PS: the issue with gleam is that at those ranges, you should have pulses fit.

This.

After unnerfing the Javelins I'm always keeping a small box of them on each of my railboats.

Yup. The short range stuff is for when things are going south and you find yourself having to pretend you have pulses/blasters/autocannons instead of the long range guns you fitted. The long range T2 ammo, OTOH, is tricky to find a use for, because the tracking is terrible.

that's penalty *i'm wrong here*





probably all t2 ammo is cheaper than faction equivalents. i say if you have prereq for spec then just train it. if you have to spend days on training for specs on large guns, don't do it (just yet) . i have t2 projectiles and hybrids and don't really use t2 long range ammo ( i get a bit more damage from t2 guns though). t2 long range guns have have nice t2 snipping ammo, but it's not used often (250k optimal naga with spike).

AFAIK, general properties of T2 ammo (since people still state different info here) look somewhat like this:
- long ranged ammo with tracking penalty and average damage;
- very short range ammo with tracking bonus and high damage.

I'd note that it's not quite like it is for short ranged guns where close range T2 ammo hits significantly harder, but has tracking penalty, although in this case properties are less uniformic than with long ranged guns.