EVE General Discussion

Hello Solstice Project,

OK, then I understood you wrong. Sorry for that.

I will try to explain why I think, that it would add more compexity to the game. The people will interact in much more different ways then before via chat or teamspeak. Just to note one pre-alpha feature: Beside the minigames, Torfi Frans Olafsson mentioned in Fanfest 2009, if I rember correctly, that the mouth is going to move when speaking via ingame voice.

It could be the real immersion of a social gameplay and the friendship or even foeship, build up in those bars and clubs may result in huge economic consequences. You simply have more possibilites to interact with other pilots. This is one part of the additional complexity. In germany we call that sozioökonomisch (socio-economic).

Let me explain a additional complexit for new players and recruiters as well. Of course its a, a bit more farer away future, vision:

A new player is getting into EvE, get a warm welcome from its hologram in his captains quarter with sound output. He now has the ability to choose, to meet people right after he entered the game, or doing a few tutorials with agents which will talk to him while he is in space like in the X-Universe.

So beside the social-economic components, the station environment will help new players to get into the game via agent talks or pilot talks.

Hello Solstice Project,

its about immersion, and graphics and technology is a port to strengthing the immersive part of the game, which can acquire more players to stay or get into EvE as well as add complexity for the long term ones.

And according to your Second Life comparision. I know that a few old pilots won´t hear that EvE is a MMORPG, but it isn´t simply a MMO, maybe its the only true MMORPG. Roleplaying has ever been a part of EvE, who is dening this must playing a other game or doing highsec mission in a solo-playstyle.

I admit that I am a advocate of a more immersive gameplay then you, but I think the disagreement between us really show the different thinking directions we got at the same topic.

I notice more then simply fancy graphics behind Walking in Stations.

I adapted my post above, which fits into your Roleplaying arguement.

Roleplaying does not means that you have to identify yourself with a character persé, but it means that you play a specific role in a game. From carebear over pirates to bounty hunters. We all fit a role into the universe and that are only the obvious roles.

If it will be something like this, than no thank you. Keep that door shut and barricaded then.

But, if there can be shooting, killing, stabbing and backstabbing sprinkled with gambling then yes open that damn door, open it right now.

not as important as pink Mega

CCP Atlanta is and always was working on WoD, CCP Shanghai is working on DUST and CCP Reykjavik is working on EVE Online.

Anyway I'm pretty freaking tired of this reasoning against WiS: "Oooh they'll have to drop everything to make Incarna worthwile, I'm against it because of this."
No, they don't have to drop everything. CCP Demoed Ambulation (what Incarna was called back then) during 2008 fanfest (I think it was 2008, but could be 2009?), they had a mostly working prototype with establishments and minigames you could play with other capsuleers for ISK, they also demoed bots - in this case, bartenders - and mentioned they could be further developed in a way to allow player created missions; Have a player to install a shady character bot in an establishment, write dialogue for it and have it demand an item for a reward , or give some sort of an item for a fee, as an example, like the bartenders would serve drinks for a fee, which would go to fatten a corporation or a personal wallet (with appropriate taxes levied by Concord Secure Commerce Commission of course). Don't believe me? Watch the video.

This fairly impressive prototype was by the way done during Eve's "golden years", expansions such as Trinity, Empyrean Age, Quantum Rise - Apocrypha, which, unless I remember terribly wrong, is generally hailed as one of the best (or at least most feature rich) EVE expansions to date. Go check for yourself all the things CCP got out, while working on that prototype for Incarna.



Now granted I have no idea what was the reason behind the clustrefuck of an expansion Incarna eventually became, but I think goes to show CCP could do great things and focus on lots of things at once. In fact I think the Crucible Expansion is one of the biggest proponents in this regard - UI improvements, new space backgrounds, bug fixes by the ton, etc, you know what i'm talking about.
And CCP was a smaller company with less resources back then than it is now, they didn't have the PLEX revenue for example.

But frankly, I'm amazed how many people seem think CCP can't do anything these days without completely ignoring everything else than the one thing they are working on.

CCP - I believe in you. Even though you break my heart time and time again.

I've actually played a game with a feature like that... sort of. The ACRE mod for Arma 2 made it so that the character's mouth moves when you speak using the ingame voice chat. There was nothing creepy about it.

i want my bar, please open the door and let me make my bar!

This i can also agree with, CCP has been doing great things, and then throw them into the thrash can for some wierd reason back then.

Have no idea what the reason was.

CQ is the only reason why I've returned to EVE and playing/paying for 2 years (if you don't remember there were 60k online days before and after Incarna - so much people were interesting in it)

It's like this company is rejecting money people are asking to accept.

P.S. Threads about WiS start popping twice per week.