EVE General Discussion

I would like to purchase the collectors edition for plex please, ccp and here are my reasons why.


1. I have a surplus of isk and a very regulated supply of dollars, my bank (my wife) does not approve of the 150$ dollar ammount for game crap, but would be quite impressed with me for buying it with solely game currency.

2. It would MEAN alot more to me if I actually had to make enough isk in game for me to buy it, rather then just throwing money at it and getting it actually putting in work to get the item would make me cherish it much more.

3. I would be willing to purchase it for as many as 15 plex even though that would be severely over paying for it, because of how much more it would mean to me.

4. It will increase the value of plex because some people like me would buy plex solely to own it thus making plexes more profitable to thus who buy them for more ingame isk.


Thank you


For those of you who does not understand how plex works, and just immediately equate plex as rmt, here is a nice way for you to wrap your heads around it, as explained by Major 'Revolver' Ocelot


Every CE that is sold on ebay has already been purchased from CCP using $$$. Even when someone buys it with plex, someone had to buy that plex from CCP for it to be sold. If the plex cost of the CE was greater than the value of the RL money offer, say 12 plex which equals to what $240, an extra 90 dollars from the flat fee of $150. Not only is that an extra $90 CCP has made through someone buying the PLEX to sell on the market but the person buying the CE with plex is paying for more despite paying less $$$. And CCP know that every PLEX this person loses is also a month of game time. 12 plexes = a year of game time.

So let's say the guy who bought it using 12 plexes then lists the CE on ebay. Bearing in mind this product has already been purchased from CCP for 240 dollars. they would have to sell it less than $150 to be competitive with CCP's prices and compete against others doing the same thing. Ok let's say Bob sells it to Joe for $100.

What the individual gains

Joe is happy because he got the CE for $100 paying $50 dollars less than retail
Bob is happy because he now has $100 dollars for something he paid $240 for through digital currency
CCP is happy because they still made $240 dollars from a single product that other people are buying for $150 and know that Bob no longer has a CE. Also the fact that 12 plex has been removed from the economy without being added to game time.


What the individual loses

Joe is out of $100
Bob is out of a CE/12 months game time
CCP is out of Joe's custom but doesn't care because at the end of the day they made an extra 90 dollars off the same product


Of course if the cost of a CE via plex was greater than 12, then CCP's profit is only going to increase. This is obviously ignoring plex offers, as no doubt CCP would always have the CE at a price that always generated profit, regardless of sales.

I thought about posting in the thread TITLED Do not make collectors edition plexable (or something similar to that)
but felt like posting in that thread would inadherently make it seem like I supported that notion by increasing that threads popularity.

SO in summary I made this thread, because posting in that thread was misleading with the title it has

Probably could have posted it in another thread but, I like my one sided thread better

I do just love, when people are so butthurt and upset about the topic of a thread, and the idea that it is putting forward, that they make some attempt to dismiss the threads validity, by saying that the OP should have posted elsewhere.

It makes me truly happy, to see people like Mr. Epeen stooping to such levels.

Old Fellow, pay him no mind. While you might post a rebuttal in the 'don't make it available for plex' thread, it doesn't make much sense for you to hide your support for allowing it to happen, within that thread, where your support will be seen as a postcount against it. This is the right place for it. I do hope they go through with allowing you to exchange plex for it. Afterall, they're still getting paid the same.

Are you kidding?!

This would literally be RMT. People could cash out PLEX, and resell the collectors edition for $100 on ebay.

It's imperative that real life dollars can only flow in to Eve, and not out, because it's when people can make real world profit from the game that nasty side effects start to happen (bots, hacking, etc in order to accumulate black market PLEX to cash out for real dollars).

PLEX for collectors edition would set a very dangerous precedent, and it would undermine years of work from the security team to stop all forms of "cashing out". These offers would be used by every RMT operation in Eve to cash out all of their isk legitimately instead of going through isk selling avenues that take time and often get accounts banned. Even if the Collector's Edition sold for $50-$75, it would still be an attractive option for RMT operations. It might seem farfetched, but this is what would happen...

These things already happen, so I don't exactly see your point. As a matter of fact they happen more because ingame currency is treated as worthless. When we reach the point in MMOs where ingame currency assets are treated as property then considerably more powerful real life laws will apply and hackers as an example will face real life serious consequences for theft that they don't have to deal with now.

Having given away 4 great Titan Graphics Cards to the 4 people at FanFest who had been continuous subscribers since day one....Why not have CCP appreciate such a commitment by the other players. For example, if you get to 10 years of continuous subscriptions of EVE without any gaps.....how about 'giving' those accounts the gift of a Collectors Edition....After all 10 years of continuous commitment and support should be recognized and with much of the collectors edition being digital assets I think it would be a great way to show thanks for very little outlay......

BTW.....Great FanFest 2013 CCP....looking forward to see my name on the monument in Reykjavik next time.!

It is like I tried to say in my forum post (the one titled "dont sell ce for plex")

People that buy plex with in game isk, not the people who bought the plex in the first place with rl money (why buy plex for money to redeem it via CE, why not just buy the CE for rl money) that will buy plex in game, technically getting the CE for free and then sell it at a price...

Also note that it is a limited edition collectors edition, therefore they could buy it in game for plex that thdy bought with isk then sell it for rl money at an upmarketed price... Wham, they just got the CE for free and then decided to sell it for a +100% profit...

Lets say it will cost 15 plex for the collectors edition

15 plex (at the very least) will be about 7.5 billion isk

Items from the collectors edition

Gold pod skin (of which I am not sure if it will even be available to trade in game) might cost 1 billion isk
5 run bpc for gnosis (since everyone is getting a regular gnosis, and this will only make the same gnosis after adding minerals to it) might be about 500 mil for that
Special thrasher maybe 200 mil


SO thats at the most 1.7 billion in virtual goods, and I spent about 7.5 billion to get those, I dont see how I will be making a profit.

Your not getting the CE for PLEX. It's simply not going to happen.

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