Warfare & Tactics

But it shouldn't count towards the contested amount of a system

I do think FW needs to be fixed but that is not the way to do it, If someone has the isk and resources to throw away 100s of ships but still hold the plexs, well so be it...........Having each kill count towards SOV control would only make bigger blobs and trolling new pilots for deaths


Plus if I have 500 ships to your 100 in a war, it does not matter if I loose 300, as long as all yours die or are distracted enough for us to take the objective

See US Tanks Vs German Tanks in WWII

Winning by attrition is a very long and difficult process, and in FW it could have an effect, the issue is isk in FW is to easy to come by so it does not....reduce the LP payouts and even them out, and you would see your PVP "worth" more on the war effort

But as long as a Minnie SB can earn 150+ million isk an hour, then even killing T1 frigs and Cruisers 5:1 will have very little effect on the war effort. This would be the same case if in real life as well (see Korean War, Vietnam), other than morale, but everyone is immortal in EVE so thats moot)

There is no pve, there is something to force you loosing time.

Be sure here no one is slept, it's not a bug, it's a feature.

Well the only thing that happens when a FW player kills another on the opposite side, if they get a laughably tiny amount of LP - yet if it was money they were after why not plex instead.

farmers only want isk, but effect the systems the people who live in (or would like to) the area for both isk and pvp or just pvp.

Farmers dont have 'stuff' to move around, they dont need a base and they dont care if a system is dockable or not, they just go to the next one along - when and if they die they scurry back off to high sec to grab another. This is something people who play fw for more than the money have to deal with and if largly out of their hands.

This is why we are seeing people in non fw system who WANT to be able to participate in all aspects of fw but cant.

Fair enough. Your corporation should be dominating FW. IMO, none of the proposed changes will fix your main issue (lack of TZ coverage), but yes something should be implemented.

The whole FW system leaves one scratching their head. The reasons for holding a system, in order of importance, are:

Docking Rights
Cumulative Effect towards Tier
Bragging Rights
Denial of Enemy Mission Agents

Does anyone remember the large thread for system upgrade ideas in F&I? Nothing really came of it. I have yet to log on and hear a corpmate cursing that they lost the extra research slots from enemy plexing! In my eyes system ownership should give you some financial gain outside of FW. Owning a little fiefdom should be the focus - the fact that we get LP to PvP or run plexes is fantastic - but to make that the center of the system is ass backwards. People don't really need to be paid 2x or 3x the amount to circle a button. The end result of the FW system ownership. The ownership should bring the goods - not the process of acquiring it.

As for the TZ coverage. It's a catch 22. It's very easy to say on the forums, "hire more off-TZ pilots." It's another thing to actually do it. My corporation has been trying for months with various degrees of success. It comes back to the same issues:

Why should people join a losing faction?
Why should people quit the winning faction?

This is Eve. People dog-pile onto the winning team. We can talk about the 'pendulum swinging' until we're blue in the face. The fact is the nadir of that pendulum for Amarr lasts months. It takes a Herculean effort to push it back against the Minmatar - where it will stay for mere weeks. The process of doing that also burns out a hell of a lot of pilots. We constantly either lose pilots out the back door as fast as we recruit them or they simply stop logging on. In the meantime on almost a daily basis I see new Minmatar pilots, corporations, and even alliances.

NOPE this ones easy CCP spent a year on FW u would know that if u played or was in FW long enough its time for them to move on and sort other parts of the game that ppl are raging is "broken"....

i also love how when things arnt going peoples way or its not how they want to play it its BROKEN and HOW DARE CCP NOT FIX THIS

Why? If Fweddit has seriously outgrown faction warfare (they haven't), then they should leave. The whole point of FW is that it's an environment where the ability to mass more guys in one fleet doesn't guarantee success. The issues with FW are not that a 40-man armor cruiser blob doesn't grant you victory. (P.S. armor cruisers are boring to both fly and fight. If the FC calls for them, just say no).

(Also, I'm not sure that the largest FW alliance by a considerable margin getting outperformed by an Alliance a fifth their size is something to be impressed by).

Even though Zarnak is my natural enemy, I have to admit that there is a lot of truth in his posting.



OGB is really a pain, Hookbills and other crap going at insane speeds simply makes the game not fun. While older players either simply ignore them or bring the blob it is completely frustrating for newer players who get spanked without having any chance. If you can't remove OGB for technical reasons then at least remove the speed boosters and snake implants (or trade their bonus for something else).

I really like the idea of LP store items which help the losing side to slow down contestation. For example let us set up some special lightly defended bunkers which make all plexes in a system slowly running down for the defender side if there is no one inside of them. Make it so that bunkers can only be deployed at planets. This would encourage some more PVP by providing new tactical options. The more bunkers are installed the faster the plex timer is running down.

If killing enemy ships would also move the bar this would be really cool. Unfortunatelly I am not sure if you really can avoid misusage here.

I don't think we need even more consequences for fielding the most rabbit plexers. Already the consequences are too much. We need to change how sov is won from a pve mechanic to a pvp mechanic. Once the "how you win sov" is no longer broken, then start working on consequences.



Thats because they put forth a bunch of consequences for winning the game before they fixed how you win.

What is a pvp sov mechanic? And how does it function when the other side is a no-show?

Don't say notifications.


This is a better of assessment of the problem than a lot of the suggestions in this thread, but that's very easy to say and very hard to do. The obvious solution is to punish people for rabbiting, though you can't go overboard, because if, e.g., we have timer resets if you abandon the plex to the defenders, then the optimal defensive strategy is blob attackers out of plexes in sequence. The other thing is, you really don't want to punish people for trying to fight at a disadvantage or make ignoring the enemy the optimal strategy (which is sort of the case now), which is what a lot of the proposals in this thread would do.