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Cooper Tzash
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-04-29 12:28:51 UTC
In a war situation, if you were been attacked in most areas of space including high would you as an individual or corporation retaliate or would you sit back and let the war deccers enjoy themselves popping everything and then to top it off keep renewing the war?
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-04-29 12:43:06 UTC  |  Edited by: March rabbit
hm? your question has lots of answers. can you provide more details?

Just for example:
- numbers of attackers/defenders
- some criteria about PvP-power of attacker/defender
- ...

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-04-29 12:49:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
depends on the circumstances.

last time someone war-decced my mission alt I just moved to NPC 0.0 for 2 weeks, war-deccer never showed up there and the war was not renewed.

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Secret Squirrell
Allied Press Intergalactic
#4 - 2013-04-29 13:37:34 UTC
There are two ways to deal with a wardeccer:

1) Stop feeding them easy kills

2) Make them pay heavily for the kills they do get

If you presume that your corp mates are going to continue derping along and feeding the wardeccer juicy carebear kills, then the only viable option is to fight back, bait and blob them with inexpensive T1 shipss, but the reality is that most highsec corps aren't going to be ready to do that.
Cooper Tzash
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-04-29 15:10:58 UTC
apologies for been rather vague here, this is my alt and don't want to give too much away.

the corp i am in have had 64 losses the war deccers have lost none because we have not retaliated, corp policy. everyone is happy to sit in wh or go into syn, i happen to like high sec and mission running. the corp that has targeted us like to operate in highsec. This is i think our 3rd week of been at war, and i am getting kind of cheesed off with it now.
i must add our corp is not a new corp nor is it a clueless corp we are also part of a large alliance.........
Kimo Khan
Rage Against All Reds
GunFam
#6 - 2013-04-29 15:33:35 UTC
Cooper Tzash wrote:
apologies for been rather vague here, this is my alt and don't want to give too much away.

the corp i am in have had 64 losses the war deccers have lost none because we have not retaliated, corp policy. everyone is happy to sit in wh or go into syn, i happen to like high sec and mission running. the corp that has targeted us like to operate in highsec. This is i think our 3rd week of been at war, and i am getting kind of cheesed off with it now.
i must add our corp is not a new corp nor is it a clueless corp we are also part of a large alliance.........


Well based upon your response here your corp is basically feeding them. Here have all these free fills which won't fight back and their deaths will continue to fund your war indefinitely.

Your corp needs to do 1 of 3 things.

1. Stay in station and never un-dock until the war is over

2. Fight, make them pay so that their losses are greater than their gains.

3. Leave high sec


The fact that you have 64 losses to no kills shows that you are not sitting in WH. The fact that they have losses with lots of kills only feeds the war to continue. Not sure what "go in to syn" means but if you are in high sec space doing it, then I would stop doing that.

If your corp will not fight back in a game set up for PVP then the corp leadership just does not get this game. If your leadership really follows the "do not retaliate" policy, how the heck do you hold WH space?

If the leadership responds with we are WH corp and not a high sec mission corp, then there is your answer. The fact that you are in a WH corp and doing High Sec missions means that you are in the wrong corp. The corp may not be wrong, but you doing High Sec missions for a corp which does not support High Sec operations means you need to find another corp.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#7 - 2013-04-29 15:34:04 UTC
It may be your corp strategy, but its not being followed, 64 losses, and your trying to blue ball them! Personally its not what you asked, but if I was in your shoes I would not be in that corp...

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#8 - 2013-04-29 15:44:15 UTC
Cooper Tzash wrote:
apologies for been rather vague here, this is my alt and don't want to give too much away.

the corp i am in have had 64 losses the war deccers have lost none because we have not retaliated, corp policy. everyone is happy to sit in wh or go into syn, i happen to like high sec and mission running. the corp that has targeted us like to operate in highsec. This is i think our 3rd week of been at war, and i am getting kind of cheesed off with it now.
i must add our corp is not a new corp nor is it a clueless corp we are also part of a large alliance.........



Getting into the whole high sec pvp mechnanics is a completely different animal than running missions.

I am not saying you shoudln't do that but chances are, you will be feeding them kills if your corp is not used to pvp. That will just make them want to wardec you longer and prevent you from doing what you want. High sec mission running.

If you want to learn to pvp I would recomend going to low sec and learning there. I am really not sure how neutral reps/docking etc work in high sec etc. but I wouldn't recomend high sec as the way to learn pvp.

The main thing is you all have to be on the same page. The fact that you have 64 losses and no kills shows you are not. Either starve them out or fight them. But don't "sorta" do either.

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Cooper Tzash
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-04-29 16:35:40 UTC
thanks for the replys
going to syn i meant that the main body of corp are in syndicate space
they do fight in low sec and worm holes it would appear though that nothing is been organised in the way of high sec retaliation, the aim is to bore them to death lol
roles dropped already
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#10 - 2013-04-29 16:38:23 UTC
If someone declares war on me I don't wait for the enemy to do something... I look for them in the opening hours and shoot first.

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Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#11 - 2013-04-29 19:43:48 UTC
Wardecs are pretty meaningless, i've been at some kind of war about last 6 years, so one war more does not affect much my doings, i always do everything on way that works under wardec.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#12 - 2013-04-30 03:27:01 UTC
I could talk for days about how various different groups respond to having war declared on them in highsec.

In summary groups that live primarily in space other than highsec typically don't put up very much resistance in highsec wars at all and the wars consist mainly of picking off mission runners, killing mining bot fleets or camping a trade hub for haulers (If you're the trade hub kind of people).

I get the impression that after the last six months the quantity of fight you get when you declare war on someone has gone down significantly. I've seen more alliances fail-cascade from a single week of war than I've seen actually attempts to shoot at the mean people recently.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-04-30 04:20:07 UTC
I don't get it, if you have the capability to retaliate then why wouldn't you?

Failing that and just do what the uni (tries to) does and set up protocols to make war deccing as unprofitable and not fun as you can.

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Ginger Barbarella
#14 - 2013-04-30 16:55:29 UTC
Cooper Tzash wrote:
In a war situation, if you were been attacked in most areas of space including high would you as an individual or corporation retaliate or would you sit back and let the war deccers enjoy themselves popping everything and then to top it off keep renewing the war?


0/10... seriously, man, you can do better than that.

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Marsan
#15 - 2013-04-30 17:31:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Marsan
Fight a highsec war is pointless as a way to get people to leave you alone. Most l33t highsec PVPers won't engage in any fight they could actually lose. So it devolves into station/gate games. The reason to fight a high sec is to have fun, which is pretty rare, but sometimes you'll find the attacker has assets you can attack or a holding corp to dec. Generally the only way to win a high sec is to bore them to death. Stay in LS, a Wormhole, drop to an NPC corp, or play world of tanks. Fighting them just encourages them or makes them corp hop in hopes you'll think you "won" and they can jump you when your guard is down.

PS- Remember these guys have hauler, PI, mission and/or FW alts so don't buy the you are chicken for dropping corp or using a hauler/miner alt line.

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kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-04-30 19:21:08 UTC
Now that I have been wardecced by Failed diplomacy I no longer dare to undock.... because they are scary n ****.
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#17 - 2013-05-01 11:54:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerath Naaris
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I don't get it, if you have the capability to retaliate then why wouldn't you?

Failing that and just do what the uni (tries to) does and set up protocols to make war deccing as unprofitable and not fun as you can.


You mean letting your POS get exploded within 25 hours of the war going live?
Well, I guess that is one way of making "war deccing as unprofitable and not fun as you can."....

Edit: Neither do I recall any "retaliation" for that. Oh, wait, that would probably result in "fun".

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Disastro
Wrecking Shots
#18 - 2013-05-01 15:51:27 UTC
Cooper Tzash wrote:
apologies for been rather vague here, this is my alt and don't want to give too much away.

the corp i am in have had 64 losses the war deccers have lost none because we have not retaliated, corp policy. everyone is happy to sit in wh or go into syn, i happen to like high sec and mission running. the corp that has targeted us like to operate in highsec. This is i think our 3rd week of been at war, and i am getting kind of cheesed off with it now.
i must add our corp is not a new corp nor is it a clueless corp we are also part of a large alliance.........


Generally in the circumstances you describe I would recommend running away and hiding and telling your members to log off with reds in local and kick members who do not follow the advice and get killed. The reason your war dec continues is that your corp keeps losing ships. 64 losses would indicate to me that your members are just going about their life as normal and getting creamed because they are ignorant.

As someone above mentioned your best bets for getting rid of a war dec are:

1. Start smoking the enemy daily or
2. Avoid losses.

For most high sec bears number 2 is the easier suggestion. It is far too easy to avoid losing ships in a high sec war to be losing 64 ships in one. With that many losses it will be quite some time before anyone wants to end that war. My suggestion would be to find a corp that isnt full of morons and join them.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#19 - 2013-05-01 18:55:20 UTC
Leave your corp. They don't fit your playstyle.
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#20 - 2013-05-01 23:29:34 UTC
if you can be harmed by wardec you are playing eve wrong. hi-sec alts should stay in npc corps and null/low/wh alts can be atacked anyways.
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