EVE General Discussion

A lot of players love building and flying spaceships. Devs clearly love getting payed to geek out and make space stuff. But it's like the fact that this is all taking place in a fictional universe is just the bare bones justification for being able to fly spaceships and form online communities. Where's the storytelling? Where's the innovations in PVE to allow players to immerse themselves, at least to some extent, in the fiction? Where are ANY innovations in PVE to make it more dynamic and alive in order to at least give players a canvass on which their imaginations can fill in the gaps? And don't tell me to go play ****ing SWTOR.

It almost makes me want to go try GW2 instead focusing on a game in which my interest in sci fi immersion and PVE gameplay causes me to be dismissed as a role play carebear by a bunch of leet number crunchers. It annoys me to no end that so many EVE players hate sci fi. There's a sort of middle school-ish peer pressure to treat anything immersive as Santa Claus kid stuff. ****ing goons and other cynical leet "community born" pressure CCP to neglect immersive storytelling and dynamic PVE (and I mean just up to par with other MMOs) because it's not "emergent content" (and not about their stardom) etc. Such a ****ing waste of the world that CCP created.

Don't get me wrong. PVP in EVE is amazing. The sandbox is a thing of beauty. It's extremely awesome that some players have become famous and influential. The communities that have been formed are a unique thing in this world. And I want more people in 0.0 carving out little principalities and creating great dynamic emergent content as much as anyone. If that's where we're going then CCP needs seriously turn on the MWD and get us moving in that direction ASAP. In that case a lesser focus on empire PVE might make more sense.

But even if 0.0 were 10x as dynamic and populated as it is now it would still be great to have an environment in which the professional sci fi storytellers at CCP (who are getting payed for what? Maybe there's only one writer left) are able to tell the ongoing story of this world and give us interesting ways to be part of it. I love science fiction. I want science fiction stories that are woven into immersive gameplay. I don't want it from Mass Effect or Star Wars. i want it from EVE. Can SOMEONE tell me WHY that is so much to ask???!!!

Like banging my ****ing head against a wall.

No

EVE is one of the most immersive games I've ever played in my life, I don't know what your going on about.

Look at the Battle of Caldari Prime, not just the event but the weeks leading up to it were absolutely fantastic in terms of lore and immersion. CCP does a great job of making the EVE universe feel alive and real, and if you are into nullsec like I am the players add that as well.

But hey, that's just me. I have a stupidly overactive imagination and you could probably have me fully immersed in a game of Pong.

But seriously though. EVE has a TREMENDOUS backstory to it that's constantly being added onto. There are only four other sci-fi settings with more fluff to it than EVE that I can think of. Warhammer 40,000, Doctor Who, Star Wars, and Star Trek. Not sure of the order but you could put it together. Regardless, EVE is easily in the top 5 and it's only been around for a decade.

The reality is opposite of what the OP states.

Yeah the backstory is fantastic and I mean no disrespect to that or, in my frustration, to the game. As to the NPC void it would be nice to hear a clear statement from CCP that this void has such a specific purpose.



As far as I know Caldari Prime is the first of its kind but does seem to maybe be part of a movement towards story. And I have to admit I have not yet lived in nullsec, though I intend to. Nevertheless I don't believe that having access to better, more dynamic PVE and storyline content would hamper the growth of the community. It would provide a kind of immersive content that player interactions just can't and would make the background for those interactions more vivid and alive. It might make some "carebears" take more time focused on PVE while they enjoy something actually worth playing but in the end those that want more human interaction and community will know where to find it.

The fact is that a significant portion of EVE players currently focus on PVE and most of them (in effect) play solo. So even though CCP has apparently intentionally locked storyline PVE in a closet and left it to rot in its own s**t for years people still seek it out, year after year. Why? Because that's what a whole lot of people want! Making part of your game ****ing suck so that people will go focus on another part is bad business. If that's their scheme then please just remove all PVE. I love you CCP and I'm so grateful for what you've created, but when it comes to PVE, s**t or get off the pot.

Generally it helps to open your eyes first if you want to see.

The whole point of Eve is the story is written by players. It is not scripted. It is emergent. It comes from people interacting with each other, the stories of major powers battling it out with each other.

Think about all the stories you know from Eve's history. They are all about players interacting with each other. The poster from Goonswarm who posted the link to the Great War wiki page has it right. The fall of BoB, Guiding Hand Social club heist, hell even James 315 and his 'New Order' are the stories we write as players in this giant social sandbox experiment we call a game. When you watched the fanfest stream and Hilmar was on there talking about the first time someone had assets stolen from a corp and CCP allowed it. They lost 500 subscribers but gained 1000's more because that story hit the news. Eve is freedom to go out and be part of history in this universe, not just another "hero" following the same scripted storyline as every other player in the game.



Why would you want CCP to spend development time on something that doesn't work well with emergent gameplay? Yes the mission running is terrible, but why are you mission running if you don't like it?

Yes, of course real stories in which all the characters are real people trumps written stories. And chocolate is better than vanilla. No offense but why do you guys hate vanilla and why are you boycotting it? Can't we just have a decent helping of sci fi storytelling please???!!! What harm can it do?

Because PVE is purely for farming isk and you don't need a story to make sense of it.

I put on my robe and wizard's hat.