Warfare & Tactics

It's almost as if that big sparkley thing gets lit, and all of a sudden this alien WOOSHING sounds starts going off, you should probably heed all of that as a warning; and either, dock up, run the **** away (ships with active cynos can't exactly chase you), or embrace your stupidity and die like a man.

99% of the time a simple killboard check will save you ships and embarrassment.

If I can bring all three of my booster alts and a tear bucket :)

i'm inclined to leave 3 falcon alts in OP's system and just **** **** with their camps. not even killing them, just making sure every potential target makes it through that gate.

griefing....ahhhh....embrace it.

maybe we'll see a thread how ecm boats and drones shall be exiled to 0.0 as well.

Okay, I don't have a problem with a ship having some sort of indication that it has a cyno on it. But as for putting a limit on it, I have to disagree. This is a sandbox game; and the more limits put into the game, the less of a sandbox it will become. And I came to Eve because its a sandbox.

Now, the concept of not allowing titans in low sec because they can't be built there has been brought up. Specifically, the idea that no Empire would allow them to come into their territory. Well, low sec isn't exactly their territory. Its territory like the Old West was to the United States. Sure, the US claimed it, but what the US government said didn't have a whole lot of bearing on the lives of the people in the Old West. That's why the 4 empires have 'hired' corps (Faction Warfare) to fight for them. They need hired guns. Now, producing a titan is a large project and something that could be seen without a lot of trouble. That's why they can't be built in low sec (in terms of lore).

However, just because you can't build it (or sell it) doesn't mean you can't possess one in low sec. In many places in the United States of America, the production of 'adult entertainment videos' is illegal; however, you can still buy them and own them personally. There are even places in the United States, its illegal to sell them; but, you can own them. Also happens with adult entertainment toys, too; I guess politicians in some states are afraid that their girlfriend/wife/mistress is going to replace them with a piece of latex plastic. My point is... ownership and production of products are different. So quit the lore arguments...

As for the 'unfairness' of it, this is Eve. One of the things that attracts people to Eve is how smarter players who take advantage of an advantage get rewarded for it. You like to gate-camp; some people might not consider that 'real' PvP. You do, and that's okay. However, it seems you have an issue with people ambushing you just like you ambush others. Sure, someone could send a scout ahead to watch out for gate camps; but, I don't own an alt account or even an alt. That's my choice; but, I don't complain when I fly into a gatecamp and get stomped for it. I suck it up... acknowledge this is Eve and go about my day.

As I pointed out, there are counters to gatecamps. People have given you counters to titan bridges, but you don't want to implement them. That's not their fault. I also hate to tell you, but one of the best ways to break a gatecamp is to drop a cyno. Why? Because it does put the fear of who-knows-what's coming into the gate campers. Hell, I had someone tell me to throw a cyno on my ship and threaten to pop it when I come into a gate camp. He said he's even managed to ransom gate campers on the threat of cyno, in a single ship.

You might not like it; but, titan bridging is part of the game. And just because you don't want to use the counters that have been suggested doesn't mean they should removed from the game. The more and more limitations added, the more and more Eve will lose its sandbox quality that we all love.

You do sound a bit... defensive about this. Someone who ambushes (gatecamps) is upset by the fact that someone else ambushed (titan bridged) them. It sounds a bit hypocritical to me. But I'm still new to Eve Online, so what do I know. Well, I know that if I saw a cyno go up while I was gate camping that I'd be warping to the nearest celestial ASAP...

OP - "You have 150 billion ISK and I only have 150 million...fair or not?"

That is a very good point... I will start a new Forum and also petition it to CCP why I don't have 150 billion instead of 150 million.

Do you approach a battleship that has no guns?

They should be limited to sov only space or at least space of those with sov set to blue. Definitely should not be able to jump from deep null to a system in low one jump from high sec like Mai.

If alliances want to jump a fleet the other side of map they should have to establish a beachhead (one sov system) or have friendlies who have sov there.

As for low, everyone should have to transit through low.

Not to derail all the bantering about titans, bridging, etc... but I think the issue could be addressed more appropriatley with several changes:

1) Change the fitting reqs of Cyno to be more appropriate. As it stands right now almost any ship in the game can just throw on a cyno for good measure. (Seriously, what is better than 30 stealth bombers or a capital fleet in your utility high slot!)

2) NPC corp alts. It is very hard to make accurate decisions about who you are really entering a fight with in eve these days. The days of proud PvPers is gone. We literally eve-kill search anyone in an NPC corp, random little corp, or anything else suspicious before we commit. I would like to see drastic changes to the NPC/Fleet system (like chars older than 60 days cannot join a fleet with anyone outside of the NPC corp, the ability to pay ISK to place a label over the chars in game photo, etc)

3) Jump location variance. Increase the range for the existing variance at which ships come in at (heck even add some new skills to help mitigate the effect).

4) A random variance in jump time would be nice as well. Inbetween 1-20 seconds.

I think these changes would give FCs a chance to order a panic withdraw and make it more interesting for the pilots bridging into the fight (I think it would personally be more fun if there was a bit more mystery on where and when I would land on the other side of the hole).

Discloser: We use various jumping/hotdroping/bridging all the time. It is an important part of PvP in eve. (sometimes I honestly feel lame doing it... "wow, we are leet PvPers... 20 battleships to kill a couple of T3s and a BC... awesome".) I have all my alts in a known corp associated with the alliance and encourage all my friends to do the same. There is a dignity to flying under colors.

I think page 10 is the correct place to answer the OP's question definitively.

Yes.

Yes, titan bridges are fair. Thanks.