Ships & Modules

The topic pretty much says it all. Here are the facts about the 'new' Apoc. Can this ship be fit for PvE at all? Or is it just an overgrown Oracle now? (I'd like to think it's not quite that bad, since it still has a drone bay).

If you were going to fit it for PvE, what would that fit look like? Is it a tac-only boat that attempts to stay at range and kite? Are there any fits that could possibly use scorch? With the Armageddon essentially obliterated for laser players, I am looking for alternatives, and I'd really prefer those alternatives not involve the Abaddon.

While 353 million isn't that pricey, I prefer low-cost BSes. Plus, the new Apoc model is modestly attractive. It has nothing on the Geddon, but it's not bad.

Would you go tachs or pulses? For Pve.

tach + MJD / pulse + MWD, ur choice

This will be able to fit after the patch, thanks to the CPU and grid buff, it's not winning any awards for mission completion time, but it has a solid tank, excellent projection and even after the cap nerf, strong cap (+12.3Gj/s with cap booster and repper off with current cap stats which is just slightly off stable with cap nerf accounted for) and for a cheap price of 250 mil fully fitted and rigged. However as always with Amarr boats you need good skills, in this regard I'm definitely agreeing that the cap nerf made it less new-player friendly, as they are not able to capitalize on the tracking buff.

[Apocalypse, L4s]

Large Armor Repairer II
Dark Blood Armor EM Hardener
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II
Cap Recharger II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L

Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

wScorch 584 dps @ 70.9+13 (80.4+16.4 scripted)
wIN Multi 733 dps @ 23.6+13 (26.8+16.4 scripted)
158 drone dps, 891 max dps, excellent tracking, 428 Sanshas tank and 380 Angels tank at worst (with 4 hardeners) though you should mainly be fighting Sansha with an Amarr boat.
It is stable with everything blazing and because Amarr only needs little space for ammo you can fit a sizeable cap booster hold (20 + 5 if I remember correctly)
On some missions that you'll need an AB/MWD you'll have to tweak the fit abit because it's tight on CPU, however a simple 3% CPU implant will make life alot easier (you can drop the faction hardener too)

I have an Apocalypse in Amarr space I occasionally dust off when I'm in highsec, I have a full +5 laser and gunnery implant set, a relic from when I used to use a Nightmare for L4s but sold it when I moved out of highsec and with all that it's actually quite an efficient boat for its cost, never let me down (though I don't take it into hardcore Angels missions)

TL:DR
The tracking bonus will actually make it a better overall mission boat, however it also makes it less new-player friendly which is kinda sad cause the Apoc was always the go to newbie Amarr L4 boat of choice.

They're reducing capacitor use on lasers, so you might as well use an Abaddon. Better tank. Higher damage makes up for shorter range. Tracking is only an issue if you're too lazy to pew all the frigates before they get close to you and the bonus won't be enough for pulse lasers to hit frigates orbiting you anyway, which is why we have drones.

Yeah they stated in the changes thread that the new Apoc is Amarr's "attack battleship," where as the other two BSes are "combat battleships." This rather vague terminology aside, the goal is to give each race (except Caldari), two "combat battleships" and one "attack battleship," with the latter sacrificing staying power for speed, dash and damage projection, and the former being more of an armored citadel with higher survivability.