Wormholes

I moved out of C5 space last night, one reason being the disappointment with the amount of PVP. Ok, C3 static was never supposed to mean GFs every night, but the amount of fights from incoming C5s was 2-3 times per month.

Maybe grass just appears greener on the other side, but I hope low/null provide me with more consistent pew.

The effort and outlay to live in wh space is fairly high though, even if you avoid all the PvP that you can, and you have to be a lot more cautious than the nullbears who dock up everytime they get "+1 local" if you really want to avoid PvP in the form of someone jumping your mining or anom running fleet. The overhead in the form of scouts is not small, likewise the cost in time to get things out to market, given the unpredictable nature of WH links.

Whether the current extremely profitable nature of w-space is truly offset by the costs and risks I'm not sure. Certainly we make money hand over fist, but we also lose ships at a pretty constant rate, some of them quite expensive, despite trying to only use fairly cheap ships for PvP. Also, the number dead or abandoned systems in w-space suggests that the profit-risk balance can't be too far into 'massive profit, low risk', or they'd be full up.

While probing for routes is a fact, it's also true that reaching markets often means less jumps than from deep null (for the average guy, jump freighters of course exist), and w-space is the safest place to set up a tower outside hisec.

I'd also like to separate "effort" from actual risk. Many wormholers are very capable players, and competent in PVP. Combine this with solid teamwork and time-tested routines, it is fairly easy to ensure the safety of operations in wormholes as you know how the ganks would happen.

I'm basically just saying that the unknown isn't perhaps quite as dangerous as we like to think. Or you, I should write in past tense, but after spending most of my EVE time in wormholes, it'll take a while to start thinking myself as an empire scrub Sure, it's deadly for the people new to wormholes and new to the game, but this does not translate to cap escalations having high risk.

Anyway, requoting Greyscale just to point that there's no need to cry your eyes out now:

The problem with making the loot 100% components is that it will suffer from the needs and desire of the market. It would be quite awful if they made it part of a useless set of item that no one uses. This would render all the highend wormholes useless.

They can't just turn the loot to regular sleeper salvage either, because then the tech3 market will crash and all wormholes will be useless. Actually, tech 3 salvage suffers from having too little end product. It's only useful for tech3 cruisers, which is fine right now, but it means that the market for the salvage component is a lot less stable. We need more tech3 product so that if tech3 cruisers become undesired in the future, the wormhole income won't be obliterated.

Hey mate fair one, its very much luck based, sometimes you wont have any pvp for for a bit, but then sometimes you have fights or get jumped during sleeper ops every day - just the way it goes i guess. C5's are very hit and miss. C5 with C5 or C6 static would have been better for you guys.

To be honest though, if you were only getting fights 2-3 times a month, then you might have been doing it wrong. As an active scanner and scout, i will scan down literally every system we have a connection to, this includes High, Low, Null Secs - and you more than often find at least something. Granted its very time consuming and not for the feint hearted, but if you look hard enough you will find something, whether you want to or not!

Can it even be called scanning when you do it? I'm not even done positioning my probes before you're done with the system.

Aight, on topic:

Disclaimer - this is all my personal point of view and does not reflect Norcorp/NoHo views in any way

I think some of these changes could be healthy for w-space. As it is now we are predicting 99% of outcomes that can happen in w-space, which I find rather boring.

I can't stand the nerfing capital escalations-thing, as I think the current risk vs. reward we have in w-space is pretty balanced. It's farmable for sure, but it's not OP. Once you warp in to a sleeper site in a C6 or a C5 you are stuck there until (most) sleepers are dead or your ship explodes, and you are very vulnerable to ganking as you are easily scanned down without probes. More random spawns making for more risk is a good thing however, encouraging more teamwork rather than 3 people triple boxing earning billions an hour.

I personally like the idea of more mass deviation, but not all random. As for now I believe it's a 10% mass deviation, which pretty much allows us to predict any outcome to how wormholes will react on our interactions. I'd like to see a stop of the constant 99% safe rage rolling routine and encourage scanning out chains or finding alternate ways into a target systems instead. I think making more dual statics in high class wormholes could be a solution to this problem to some degree, more tree-like wormhole chains.

Now don't get me wrong (as my alliance mates did...), I don't want to see rolling wormholes impossible, but it should require more thinking, more people/coordination, somehow less efficient than working together scanning out a chain for pew.

My logic might be screwed, but I think it would encourage smaller gangs rather than the 50+ man gangs we see more and more of nowadays. Less numbers in fleets means more safety on mass, encouraging smaller gangs and screwing the constant blob war in invasions.

I miss the hour-long fights where numbers mattered less than proper tactics, as per now it seems like we are turning more and more into what most of us ran away from, nullsec.

Like someone said above, CCP can better balance wormholes by replacing blue books with usuable materials. Introduction of new tech 3/utility ship classes and modules would be sufficient. C1-C2 drop mats for cruisers and smaller. C3 drop battlecruiser and few bs stuff. C4 mostly bs and lower mats. C5-C6 everything and some new capital parts/modules.

Edit: Tech 3 modules at slightly lower strength than officer modules and much more skill intensive would be awesome.

this. wormholes were never supposed to be ISK-farms. YOU want it to be farm. And this is YOUR problem. Not CCP.

It is really sad that Eve lost such unusual and interesting part "wormholes". People actually killed this "new, unknown and exciting space" by colonizing wormholes and made it ISK-farms. I welcome any CCP idea to bring initial WHs back.

When ever CCP decide to nerf w-space pve, the correct way will be to limit the resources to farm in one system. Don't nerf the isk/hour running them.

The high isk/hour of w-space pve allow us to devote plenty time to exploration and a relative limited time making isk. Keep it that way please.

If the resources are limited, there is no reason for a corp to setup in w-space just to farm cap escalation. That corp will be better off farming mission or ns anomaly.

Whaaaat! So you want all WH dwellers to leave? We got a good thing going right now in w-space, something you wont find anywhere else in eve. If anything wormholes are working way better than intended.