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Don't make the CE purchasable by PLEX.

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Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-04-28 16:56:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Hessian Arcturus
I've scrolled down the forum and I see a lot of people asking for CCP to make the Collectors Edition purchasable via PLEX.

In my opinion, this would be a bad idea on CCPs part. There are hundreds, probably thousands of players in the game with billions and billions of ISK. If they all decided to purchase a Collectors Edition via in game methods, then it will take away the aspect of it being a Collectors Edition due to the fact everyone will have one.

In my opinion all Limited Editions or Collectors Editions should only ever be purchasable by real money. If you cant afford it, well save for it. You wouldnt go into a store and buy the N7 Edition of Mass Effect 3 (for example) if you didn't have the monies to do so...

Leaving it as a real money purchase, also stops people that would buy it for PLEX and then sell it for a hundred quid, undercutting CCP.

I'm not having a go at the people who are asking this, I'm simply stating that I think its a bad idea, and giving you a reason why I think this.

Discuss...(please lets keep it civil).

EDIT: Just in case anyone does think about saying, oh its someone with a lot of real life money ready to splash it around, this isnt the case. I will be saving money each month so I may purchase a copy...Big smile

It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.

Dave Stark
#2 - 2013-04-28 17:02:01 UTC
plex is the only way i'd buy one.

but that's mainly because i couldn't stomach a £126 outgoing on my bank statement for an item where over 50% of it is things i don't want.
Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-04-28 17:07:03 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
plex is the only way i'd buy one.

but that's mainly because i couldn't stomach a £126 outgoing on my bank statement for an item where over 50% of it is things i don't want.


The underlined part is brilliant point. You wouldn't fork out for something where only half of the stuff is used by yourself. Where as with PLEX its a case of 'meh I didnt use real money to buy it so it doesnt bother me'. To me that kind of lowers the value of a CE.

It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.

Zheketri
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-04-28 17:15:28 UTC
The problem with making it purchaseable with PLEX is that it's likely to put a higher demand on PLEX in game, increasing the price... considering the outcry about prices already, this might cause some unpleasantness.
If the CE turned out to be highly popular sold via PLEX it could really give prices a kick and I'm not certain CCP will do that without compelling reasons.

"Once you have taken his place, have you then defeated your enemy?"

Ziphis
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-04-28 17:17:21 UTC
Personal opinion of mine Plex for stuff makes its all seem less palpable I mean Plex for re-sculpt and stuff I understand but stuff like a collectors edition hell imagine if they used Plex for stuff on the stores...anyone with a good 25-50bil could own the store 10x over and then sell it on ebay for profit.

Plex for in-game stuff good

Plex for stuff outta game....stupid idea and shouldnt and hopefully wont be done

In the case of you Dave yeah if you don't wanna spend the money on it don't simple as pie...not trolling not picking just being honest

In my own case I'm saving for the CE... because honestly I'm sad little man that wants a nice shiny new box. and a Rifter (In Rust we Trust right)

He was the sort of person who stood on mountaintops during thunderstorms in wet copper armour shouting 'All the Gods are bastards.'  - T. Pratchett

Concurssi Mellenar
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-04-28 17:21:30 UTC
Can someone explain to me why they think the CE should be purchasable with PLEX?

He who controls the veld, controls the universe.

Dave Stark
#7 - 2013-04-28 17:22:58 UTC
Concurssi Mellenar wrote:
Can someone explain to me why they think the CE should be purchasable with PLEX?


because it's not unheard of that other things were purchasable with plex, eg fanfest tickets, and didn't they do something about plex for graphics cards a while ago or was that an obscure dream i had?

(could have been a dream, i had a nap earlier and dreamed that i was playing poker using polo mints as poker chips. good luck with that one dr freud)
Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-04-28 17:23:41 UTC
Zheketri wrote:
The problem with making it purchaseable with PLEX is that it's likely to put a higher demand on PLEX in game, increasing the price... considering the outcry about prices already, this might cause some unpleasantness.
If the CE turned out to be highly popular sold via PLEX it could really give prices a kick and I'm not certain CCP will do that without compelling reasons.


Yeah bro, I know exactly what you mean there... "So people are buying PLEX to get the CE. Hmmmm buy this at my up marketed price muhahaha" *Twirls handlebar moustache and adjusts monocle*

People who rely on PLEX for subs, who barely scrape enough to get buy would be bitten in the backside.

It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.

Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-04-28 17:25:47 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:


(could have been a dream, i had a nap earlier and dreamed that i was playing poker using polo mints as poker chips. good luck with that one dr freud)


Just quickly off topic - did you win?

It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.

Dave Stark
#10 - 2013-04-28 17:26:58 UTC
Ziphis wrote:
In the case of you Dave yeah if you don't wanna spend the money on it don't simple as pie...not trolling not picking just being honest


i probably will miss out on the CE. that makes me slightly sad.

don't get me wrong, i don't think the CE is badly priced or anything. all of the content is worth £126, i just don't want all of the content.

but hey, that's just the way it is.
Dave Stark
#11 - 2013-04-28 17:27:42 UTC
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:


(could have been a dream, i had a nap earlier and dreamed that i was playing poker using polo mints as poker chips. good luck with that one dr freud)


Just quickly off topic - did you win?


i had no idea, we were playing on a small table in the middle of a sport's hall and a guy came in mid game and told us that the session i'd booked had run out of time...
Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-04-28 17:40:52 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Ziphis wrote:
In the case of you Dave yeah if you don't wanna spend the money on it don't simple as pie...not trolling not picking just being honest


i probably will miss out on the CE. that makes me slightly sad.

don't get me wrong, i don't think the CE is badly priced or anything. all of the content is worth £126, i just don't want all of the content.

but hey, that's just the way it is.


What do you and don't you want from out of the CE?

Dave Stark wrote:
i had no idea, we were playing on a small table in the middle of a sport's hall and a guy came in mid game and told us that the session i'd booked had run out of time...


I hope you got minted Lol bad joke I know haha

It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.

Dave Stark
#13 - 2013-04-28 18:15:53 UTC
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
What do you and don't you want from out of the CE?


things i do want: ingame goodies (pod, ships, blueprint), and the rifter usb thing.
things i'm mostly indifferent to: soundtrack and art book thing.
things i wouldn't care if they were missing from the box: dust drop suits, board game.

i think, if they did away with the board game, and the drop suits, and it worked out at £99.99 so it wasn't quite 3 figures (damn you psychology/ocd/whatever it is), i'd have preordered one.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#14 - 2013-04-28 18:21:13 UTC
Zheketri wrote:
The problem with making it purchaseable with PLEX is that it's likely to put a higher demand on PLEX in game, increasing the price... considering the outcry about prices already, this might cause some unpleasantness.
If the CE turned out to be highly popular sold via PLEX it could really give prices a kick and I'm not certain CCP will do that without compelling reasons.



PLEX 2 years ago was 300,000,000. You know what it is now.

I have not noticed any 'unpleasantness'.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Josef Djugashvilis
#15 - 2013-04-28 18:23:50 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
plex is the only way i'd buy one.

but that's mainly because i couldn't stomach a £126 outgoing on my bank statement for an item where over 50% of it is things i don't want.


This ^^ remove the DUST stuff and sell the Eve part at an even slightly lower price and I shall buy it.

This is not a signature.

Tshaowdyne Dvorak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-04-28 18:26:35 UTC
Zheketri wrote:
The problem with making it purchaseable with PLEX is that it's likely to put a higher demand on PLEX in game, increasing the price... considering the outcry about prices already, this might cause some unpleasantness.
If the CE turned out to be highly popular sold via PLEX it could really give prices a kick and I'm not certain CCP will do that without compelling reasons.


And the higher PLEX price in game will incentivize the people who buy PLEX to buy more of it and put it on the market in order to make more ISK, and the prices will drop back down.

For example, the Power of Two promotion caused a quick, temporary spike in prices and the complementing PLEX sale caused a drop, so the delta was actually pretty small and the prices remain about the same before both offers were introduced. Does it surprise you at all that CCP offered both at the same time, considering that?

Economics isn't just simple supply and demand curves. It's far more complicated than that. It's moves and counter moves, and counter-counter moves, and so on. People act on the market for lots of different reasons, some of which are inscrutable. Consider the effect of dumb, drunk people who mistakenly buy a low value ship for billions in their drunken stupor. It wasn't a rational act, but it happens nonetheless in this game.
Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-04-28 18:41:49 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
What do you and don't you want from out of the CE?


things i do want: ingame goodies (pod, ships, blueprint), and the rifter usb thing.
things i'm mostly indifferent to: soundtrack and art book thing.
things i wouldn't care if they were missing from the box: dust drop suits, board game.

i think, if they did away with the board game, and the drop suits, and it worked out at £99.99 so it wasn't quite 3 figures (damn you psychology/ocd/whatever it is), i'd have preordered one.


Yeah, I agree with you there...To be fair, I dont have a PS3 so the DUST stuff is rendered moot for me, but I can understand them putting it in... And to be fair the CCP board game is more of a gimmik...

But the rest of the EVE stuff I can understand them...

Me, I like looking at art and the soundtracks of games so for me thats a bonus Big smile

Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

*Insults the OP because you dont agree*


I asked people to keep it civil, as a friendly debate. Not to start insulting people.

It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.

Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#18 - 2013-04-28 18:47:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Ottersmacker
+ CCP gets their money, because all PLEX in existence (unless it's been simply spawned by CCP - something they claim not to do) has already been paid for anyway.
+ CCP potentially gets to sell more copies.

//editing to add:
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Leaving it as a real money purchase, also stops people that would buy it for PLEX and then sell it for a hundred quid, undercutting CCP.

Even if this were to happen, CCP would still have been paid in full (because of PLEX). Ironically when Amazon carries their CE, they end up paying a % to Amazon. Probably a good idea to limit it to 1 per account like they did with the GFX cards though.

i just locked an open door.. strange, yet symbolically compelling.

Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#19 - 2013-04-28 18:48:55 UTC
Ottersmacker wrote:
+ CCP gets their money, because all PLEX in existence (unless it's been simply spawned by CCP - something they claim not to do) has already been paid for anyway.
+ CCP potentially gets to sell more copies.


With an actual physical item, I doubt the process is that simple.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

Lord Okinaba
Aliastra
#20 - 2013-04-28 18:52:28 UTC
It's a Collectors Edition, not a Limited Edition. I don't see your arguement. The more people that have access to it the better.
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