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Successful Income from Orca Boosting?
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#21 - 2013-04-25 22:15:37 UTC
Haven't read all the above, so I apologize, but...

I have read posts in this forum by at least one Orca pilot that is successful. He doesn't offer just boosts though: he buys the ore on the spot.
Haulie Berry
#22 - 2013-04-25 22:51:28 UTC
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
So then the answer to my original question is that an orca isn't worth bothering with


No, Orcas are absolutely amazing. Your business model, less so.
Dave Stark
#23 - 2013-04-25 22:52:56 UTC
Mari Hata wrote:
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
there is little cause for anyone to join a fleet in mining that doesn't consist of his alts due to lost profit


Still, I'd give it a try before making assumptions, if I were you. Not every miner is a spreadsheet-monkey, you see. In fact, most of them aren't, because if they were, they wouldn't be mining in the first place.


yes they would because no other activity has the isk:effort ratio that mining has aside from perhaps trading, but that requires more knowledge.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-04-26 01:02:46 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Haven't read all the above, so I apologize, but...

I have read posts in this forum by at least one Orca pilot that is successful. He doesn't offer just boosts though: he buys the ore on the spot.



This. The beauty of capitalism is that it rewards those that have a solid business plan and execution.
Haulie Berry
#25 - 2013-04-26 01:17:35 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Haven't read all the above, so I apologize, but...

I have read posts in this forum by at least one Orca pilot that is successful. He doesn't offer just boosts though: he buys the ore on the spot.


Yeah, he's assuming all of the responsibility for logistics, which is very, very different from, "Okay, I'll just show up in the system, and you pay me, k?"
Zaber Saberhagen
Sinnister Mining Corp
#26 - 2013-04-26 01:44:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Zaber Saberhagen
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
Has anyone ever had a successful marketing model for making income from boosting other miners in your system? I have tried to do this a few times, with little to now success - people either don't want to pay anything for a boost, or get it for free... this seems at odds with the capitalist model of the economy... *yes I have been reading Adam Smith of late"

Three must be a matrix that allow someone to charge a nominal fee with success for a win-win boosting/mining... it seems a valid career choose, to be a "mining foreman" in a command and control ship giving out valuable services to miners in barges and exhumers.

Any ideas or success stories? Models? theories? guess? insane-delusions?


I remember a guy in Mitsolen (med to high population ice system near Jita) that use to sell orca boosts. He didn't advertise but a couple times then was quiet rest of the night, so I assume it was before he went to work or bed for some extra passive income. Anyways he use to charge 2mil per day (roughly 12 hrs span till server downtime).

My brother helped me get started with free orca boosting from his alt (till I got my own) so I never needed his service but 2mil seemed fair (to me) for 12 hrs of boosting. I haven't been to many other ice systems so my experience is limited but that is the only one (so far) I have seen someone selling boosts in.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#27 - 2013-04-27 03:40:25 UTC
The business model can work.

You are doing it wrong!

There is a devaluation of the Orca as a mining booster due to how many players have/use them for other things like hauling. Supply is way heavier than demand on this front. Orca is even great for mission runners who move between all 4 empires to keep standings balanced.

So from a miner point of view you better have something special!
Why? because they can get an Orca boost easy with little or no cost.

If you offer something like:

Max Orca boost.
With hauling.
Maximum Refine.
Payouts based on trade hub prices.
Weekly Schedule!

You then have the makings of a business model and may find value in creating a corporation based around your mining fleets.

I personally would recommend having a couple extra aspects so you are not just a one trick pony.

Good Luck.
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#28 - 2013-04-27 09:45:21 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
The business model can work.

You are doing it wrong!

There is a devaluation of the Orca as a mining booster due to how many players have/use them for other things like hauling. Supply is way heavier than demand on this front. Orca is even great for mission runners who move between all 4 empires to keep standings balanced.

So from a miner point of view you better have something special!
Why? because they can get an Orca boost easy with little or no cost.

If you offer something like:

Max Orca boost.
With hauling.
Maximum Refine.
Payouts based on trade hub prices.
Weekly Schedule!

You then have the makings of a business model and may find value in creating a corporation based around your mining fleets.

I personally would recommend having a couple extra aspects so you are not just a one trick pony.

Good Luck.


Well this is what I was offering:

1. Max Orca Boosting.
2. Hauling (thought that isn't much of an issue since most use Mack and haul to their own stations respectively (and no trust issues them).
3. Max Refining (100%)
4. L4 Mining Mission Access for LPs, and discounted (at LP+cost to agent) +5 and +5% implants
5. Jump Clones with NPC Stations/Corp once at 8.0 from above
6. 5PM-10PM EST every day, extended hours on weekends.

... and no one took me up on it... that was just the things I could think of right off the top for an advent... I am sure there are more benefits to it... *sigh*.
Dave Stark
#29 - 2013-04-27 10:16:21 UTC
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
The business model can work.

You are doing it wrong!

There is a devaluation of the Orca as a mining booster due to how many players have/use them for other things like hauling. Supply is way heavier than demand on this front. Orca is even great for mission runners who move between all 4 empires to keep standings balanced.

So from a miner point of view you better have something special!
Why? because they can get an Orca boost easy with little or no cost.

If you offer something like:

Max Orca boost.
With hauling.
Maximum Refine.
Payouts based on trade hub prices.
Weekly Schedule!

You then have the makings of a business model and may find value in creating a corporation based around your mining fleets.

I personally would recommend having a couple extra aspects so you are not just a one trick pony.

Good Luck.


Well this is what I was offering:

1. Max Orca Boosting.
2. Hauling (thought that isn't much of an issue since most use Mack and haul to their own stations respectively (and no trust issues them).
3. Max Refining (100%)
4. L4 Mining Mission Access for LPs, and discounted (at LP+cost to agent) +5 and +5% implants
5. Jump Clones with NPC Stations/Corp once at 8.0 from above
6. 5PM-10PM EST every day, extended hours on weekends.

... and no one took me up on it... that was just the things I could think of right off the top for an advent... I am sure there are more benefits to it... *sigh*.


you're still welcome to join my corp.
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#30 - 2013-04-27 16:31:48 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
The business model can work.

You are doing it wrong!

There is a devaluation of the Orca as a mining booster due to how many players have/use them for other things like hauling. Supply is way heavier than demand on this front. Orca is even great for mission runners who move between all 4 empires to keep standings balanced.

So from a miner point of view you better have something special!
Why? because they can get an Orca boost easy with little or no cost.

If you offer something like:

Max Orca boost.
With hauling.
Maximum Refine.
Payouts based on trade hub prices.
Weekly Schedule!

You then have the makings of a business model and may find value in creating a corporation based around your mining fleets.

I personally would recommend having a couple extra aspects so you are not just a one trick pony.

Good Luck.


Well this is what I was offering:

1. Max Orca Boosting.
2. Hauling (thought that isn't much of an issue since most use Mack and haul to their own stations respectively (and no trust issues them).
3. Max Refining (100%)
4. L4 Mining Mission Access for LPs, and discounted (at LP+cost to agent) +5 and +5% implants
5. Jump Clones with NPC Stations/Corp once at 8.0 from above
6. 5PM-10PM EST every day, extended hours on weekends.

... and no one took me up on it... that was just the things I could think of right off the top for an advent... I am sure there are more benefits to it... *sigh*.


you're still welcome to join my corp.


Thanks, I will keep it in mind - but almost 4 years in IAC... I am not sure I can ever leave the best corp in all of EVE!... once the Imperial Academy has your bones, you are a lifier I am afraid... hehehe... will see, atm I am just watching the FF2013 info and thinking about the summer prospects.
Isonda
suspended animations DOT
#31 - 2013-04-28 01:59:52 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Styth spiting wrote:
If you can temp join their corp (and dump ore into a corp hangar) then even better.


having considered this statement.

dear OP i have a 3 man corp and i'd be very interested in purchasing your service, if you'd like to join my corp and dump ore directly in to my corporate hanger i'd be very happy to reward you handsomely.


Ohhh, yeah. That DOES change everything, doesn't it?



well, it means i can use my orca pilot as a third miner. i can't see how this could possibly go wrong.


Warp scramble, them 15 medium drones... i guess.
Dave Stark
#32 - 2013-04-28 07:12:02 UTC
Isonda wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Styth spiting wrote:
If you can temp join their corp (and dump ore into a corp hangar) then even better.


having considered this statement.

dear OP i have a 3 man corp and i'd be very interested in purchasing your service, if you'd like to join my corp and dump ore directly in to my corporate hanger i'd be very happy to reward you handsomely.


Ohhh, yeah. That DOES change everything, doesn't it?



well, it means i can use my orca pilot as a third miner. i can't see how this could possibly go wrong.


Warp scramble, them 15 medium drones... i guess.


i was thinking of just using a thorax. *shrug*
Strygaldwir Alorkym
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-04-29 18:31:47 UTC
I think the business model has merit. It may be an issue of marketing, charge logistics and becoming a recognized source of reliable supply. This is very much akin to the challenge most early internet content providers had. i.e. how to recognize profit when the customer base thought the service should be free.

One probably has to establish the value of the service, then develop an actionable recovery/charging/billing mechanism. I believe this is the key issue. Why is there value in a courier service? I can train and buy my own freighter, why would I pay someone else. Because there is an oppotunity cost associated with that training, and it does not matter if that cost is recoverable in a variety of fashions. The fact that there exists a mechanism for the billing/charging/recovery make it vaible market niche. The fact that there is no game mechanic that supports the exchange of services will make charging for boosting services more difficult.

I'd personally be willing to pay for boosting services. I just have not seen anyone offering those services. I'd be leery of employing those services as I'd think it was an attempt to rip me off....
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