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Mining payoff - nullsec vs. highsec
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Din Chao
#61 - 2013-04-26 16:55:22 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Din Chao wrote:
You're right, a hauler is much better off making 30 jumps with an Itty full of Trit than an Itty full of Megacyte...


if he's building something with trit, rather than megacyte, then yes he is.

Who said anything about building anything? Shocked
Dave Stark
#62 - 2013-04-26 17:04:00 UTC
Din Chao wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Din Chao wrote:
You're right, a hauler is much better off making 30 jumps with an Itty full of Trit than an Itty full of Megacyte...


if he's building something with trit, rather than megacyte, then yes he is.

Who said anything about building anything? Shocked


in that case, who gives a **** what he's hauling, he'll be getting paid the same isk/jump anyway.
Camios
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2013-04-26 17:15:54 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:

why would i mine scordite in 0.0? for the same reason i mine the 2m isk/jetcan ores in 0.0. to flip the grav site.

considering you just displayed no idea how a null sec grav site works, it's hypocritical of you to tell any one they don't know what they're talking about. if you did know what you were talking about, you wouldn't have asked me why i would mine scordite in 0.0.


Grav sites should flip automatically in 3 days. If they don't, it's a bug.

Still, I would only mine low ends in 0.0 if I could do it in the same safety conditions of nullsec and in my opinion correcting the safety problem is the way to correct the problem, instead of adding more value to pseudo-highend ores, for politcal and gameplay reasons.
Dave Stark
#64 - 2013-04-26 17:22:46 UTC
Camios wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:

why would i mine scordite in 0.0? for the same reason i mine the 2m isk/jetcan ores in 0.0. to flip the grav site.

considering you just displayed no idea how a null sec grav site works, it's hypocritical of you to tell any one they don't know what they're talking about. if you did know what you were talking about, you wouldn't have asked me why i would mine scordite in 0.0.


Grav sites should flip automatically in 3 days. If they don't, it's a bug.

Still, I would only mine low ends in 0.0 if I could do it in the same safety conditions of nullsec and in my opinion correcting the safety problem is the way to correct the problem, instead of adding more value to pseudo-highend ores, for politcal and gameplay reasons.


4, last i checked. what's your point?

because mining low ends (because you have to) provides you with more high ends that are worth more than the low ends.

do you really not understand how mining in null sec works?
Zifrian
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2013-04-26 18:41:57 UTC
Most people don't know how nullsec mining works.

They just mentioned on fanfest that thy are changing ores next expansion.

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Dave Stark
#66 - 2013-04-26 18:43:33 UTC
Zifrian wrote:
Most people don't know how nullsec mining works.

They just mentioned on fanfest that thy are changing ores next expansion.


more low ends in things like spod/gneiss.

calling it now.
Asmodai Xodai
#67 - 2013-04-26 23:41:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Asmodai Xodai
Dave Stark wrote:

do you really not understand how mining in null sec works?


This wasn't directed at me, but I for one will raise my hand and say 'I really do not understand how mining in null sec works.' Would anyone like to explain it to me?

Also, why do null-sec'ers bother with grav sites? What kind of ore will be in the grav site that isn't floating around in the null sec belts?
Asmodai Xodai
#68 - 2013-04-27 00:48:30 UTC
Dave Stark
#69 - 2013-04-27 06:15:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Asmodai Xodai wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:

do you really not understand how mining in null sec works?


This wasn't directed at me, but I for one will raise my hand and say 'I really do not understand how mining in null sec works.' Would anyone like to explain it to me?

Also, why do null-sec'ers bother with grav sites? What kind of ore will be in the grav site that isn't floating around in the null sec belts?


gladly.

lower truesec status is the same for mining as it is for ratting. lower it is, better rats/ore you find. most places have poor ore in the belts, it's really that simple.

now, when you mine these belts the industry index of a system increases, in the same way military index increases when you rat. then for each level you get a new grav site spawning. these have all the good ores (and all the bad ones, which is why they changed the mineral composition of many ores).

for example if i go and put arkonor in to garpa to find out what asteroid belts have arkonor in them there are 443 systems, of the 3000+ null sec systems. grav sites are the only way to mine arkonor in those other 2500+ systems. also having to probe down grav sites offered an extra layer of protection from gankers, but that'll no longer be the case soon.