EVE General Discussion

why are you mining when you could be smacking those hauler spawns and pulling at least 50-75mil units of trit for a little pewpew + possible chance at other random amounts of minerals dropping too?

out of those 68 ppl in your corp surely you could organize 1 or 2 of them to belt rat while you mine, so it would help you at least a little. Plus it would get rid of the boredom just sitting there when you could be on voice coms talking with them and the only 2 things you'd really have to pay attention to in the end would be local and when you either need to change roids or empty your hull.

I can understand your frustration at the amount of income on both of those however the main minerals refined from null sec ore as you know are zyd, mega and morphite. admittingly you can get zyd from low sec but in much smaller quantities and have a greater chance at being ganked by pirates while mining compared to null sec unless your on lock down due to being camped in or under constant attack from hostiles.

what do you think would happen if the supply to empire from null sec and w-space on those 3 minerals was stopped or put on hold for a while would do?

personally I think that it would increase prices thus increase the prices on ships and t2 stuffs, there will always be a supply of zyd / mega which would come from mission runners refining loot, just not in the quantities of which is needed.

1. Not really 'mining.' I just prospected it is all. All I've ever heard from day one is that all the lucrative ore is in nullsec, that high risk = high reward, while low risk = low reward, that there was this dark ochre and golden omber and spudamain floating around nullsec, blah blah. So I get there and check it out, and the volume of minerals per unit is so high that it's not any more lucrative than highsec, and certainly not once you've factored in the risk.

I'm not issuing a complaint. At all. I'm issuing my surprise, and wondering if I got something wrong. Since folks here concur, it seems I didn't. My advice for people lusting for nullsec ore is to stay in highsec and mine scordite.

Again, I was just surprised as hell is all.

2. I know nothing of hauler spawns, where they spawn, how often they spawn, blah blah.



Possibly. But I don't like to annoy people, and it does seem that most of them are doing something more important than running escort for some lowly miner. Also, I get the impression that mining is somewhat looked-down on. No one has actually said that, it's just an impression.

Again, I'm not complaining that I can't mine. In fact, I did mine just to prospect the ores. I'm just registering my extreme surprise that all this dark ochre and golden omber and spudomain floating around isn't worth any more than just grinding scordite in highsec. That's my only point.

Does anyone else find this as strange?

You really like to make strong statements about things you know little about, don't you?

Under the baseline conditions I was working with (new very low-skilled character, no money, a lone actor, etc) - yes, it was the best.

Trading requires 1) lots of money, and 2) lots of trading knowledge, as well as skills. To make more money hauling than I did mining would require a freighter, which means skills and money. Making lucrative money missioning requires level 4s, and I had just recently only gotten into level 2s. Ratting in highsec is a joke. Etc.

Yes, mining was the best by far. I could pull 5 million every 45 minutes or thereabouts. Nothing else I tried was close.

Hauler spawns appear in high sec, low sec and null sec space. I have no idea of the chances on finding them as to me its completely random. I've came across 2 of those spawns in high sec and several of them in null sec. They appear in the belts you mine in, in the form of npc rats. Considering your in null sec space I believe they come up as BS sized npc's so it might be a good idea to check them out by clicking on them to see which icon appears.

I didn't check your char age before responding last time just the size of your corp. There is 2 questions i'd like to ask which I think might bring some light to your thoughts about the difference in returns for mining.

1) are you using a exhumer to mine, if so which one?

2) can you use T2 crystals for the ore your mining?

with regards to the other comment you made about your corp there is indeed a mind set by a lot of players in this game which look down on "null bears and carebears" yet they seem to forget that its thanks to their help that they have the mods and ships to fly to continue their pvp/ pve'n.

as for the help thing you really wont know until you ask. if there a decent 0.0 corp looking to help their members grow and be faithful towards them then they'll try to assist you when they have free time, keep in mind though that you may not always get assistance and they may get pissed off if you ask for help when there's an alliance op going on

ok I can see what your saying however, I need to point out one thing for you, using that mouse over to get a idea of price range is a bad idea since every region is different and its best to work it out from the markets selling cost if you don't want to refine it and sell the minerals yourself later when your skills are good for refining.

the best way to work out how much you can make usually its based on a per hour basis. considering your using a retriever idk if you have a full 25% extra cargo space as the bonus from the mining barge skill as its supposed to give 5% bonus per level for that ship. besides that t2 crystals help you mine more ore per cycle and with an exhumer you can mine even more per hour too.

I think one of the problems with the prices of low and null sec materials is the low numbers required to produce ships compared to hi-sec materials. Take my scorpion bp, it requires only 1848 Megacyte and 4432 Zydrine but 5867756 Tritanium and 1246990 Pyerite. Considering the two main materials come from only one asteroid type, Scordite, there is no wonder it is the most valuable.

For that reason I think they should make Scordite a low/null sec asteroid type.

this this this this this.

1) Ice Mine
2) ???
3) Make POS Fuel
4) Profit

No seriously, POS fuel is massively overpriced at the moment costing around 500m to fuel a large tower for a month.

no, nullsec ores not being worth it is the problem. look at spod and gneiss.

it makes perfect sense to mine low end ores in 0.0, because they're still worth more than spod and gneiss. the issue is that veld, pyrox, and plagi simply do not exist in large grav sites. there isn't any to mine, even if you want to.

i honestly don't think you grasp the nature of the problem.

Let's add a sov structure that spawns low ends as grav sites instead of high ends and/or a refinery upgrade allows to refine low ends at above 100% yield with good to really high skills.