Ships & Modules

Update: CCP Tallest confirms that Orcas will continue to use large rigs rather than transitioning to capital rigs:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2923380#post2923380

I get the impression that the capital rigs are only for carriers, supercarriers, dreadnoughts, Rorquals, and Titans.

Awesome thread about the fits and more importantly for the way of thinking on how to make haulers more gankproof. The information about Orca will help me a lot when I need it eventually to haul some ships or some wast amounts of cargo. I can't say I am not happy that they are keeping Orca's rig slots to large since Orca by itself is expensive for my wallet at the moment and will be a large investment when I finally get to it since that will save me quite a bit on the investment.

Well Steve thank you for the info on how much time it needs for an instantlocknpop nado to target me, only tells me that I need to always be vigilant and hone my reflexes even more while I am flying my haulers. It all comes down to is something worth the risk attacking a ship that was not, or was not able to be, scanned in order to check for the contents of its cargo. But those are the risks of hauling and risks of killing the same for profit that both sides need to accept and live with.

Quick question regarding gate camping tornados, how many shots can they fire before Concord tears them apart if they manage to lock a 20-22k ehp hauler? (sorry if this sounds silly but I have no idea on how EHP works and how to compare that to possible damage output of for example a tornado)

So even though there are concord already present at the gate it still takes them from 15-30sec to react to an act of agression... Talk about lazy police... Those donats must be extreamely good.

Actually there are Naval vessels present, not CONCORDOKKEN blastmobiles.

But the presence of CONCORD makes a difference. The CONCORD response time is right around exactly 15 seconds in 0.5 security space under normal circumstances. If CONCORD ships are already in the area (due to a previous gank that day), then they will respond much more quickly. On the other hand, if there are CONCORD ships already present in a different part of the same system, their response time will actually be slower. I don't know how much slower but that would be the ~30 seconds the other guy was talking about.

If you fit a Warp Core Stabilizer, you might tank a bit less, but you can pretty much ensure you get away before that second shot is fired. Also, in a blockade runner you not only have more EHP but you have a smaller sig radius and move faster, adding to the chance the Tornado gets glancing hits. In fact if you are sitting in gate cloak and believe that a tornado will shoot at you as soon as you start moving, you could activate afterburner to move even faster and screw up his shot. (if you have an afterburner fit)

Easily 30k EHP with a basic tank fit, and that's more than a T1 industrial, which was my point.

I wouldn't AFK in a blockade runner or deep space transport either, but I also wouldn't AFK in a capsule, shuttle, or tech 2 frigate. Some things are just too easy to get rid of.

Tip: Never travel in a Blockade Runner uncloaked. Because you cannot be scanned, bored people will take a random shot at you in hopes that something will drop.

You don't really have to worry about tank on a blockade runner: if you are uncloaked you will die unless the attacker is incompetent. Otherwise, on un-dock initiate warp and activate tank modules, since you can't cloak near station. You are most vulnerable docking and un-docking.

Warning: CONCORD, faction police, and other ships around a gate can prevent you from cloaking if they are too close. This is rare in my experience, but it does happen.

I recently hauled 7 billion ISK out of Jita in a Crane with 2x T2 cargo rigs with two meta 4 istabs in the lows (instant un-dock bookmark used of course - there is a moon aligned with the 4-4 undock, NOT moon 4).

Note that meta 4 istabs have less signature bloom than tech 2, but same agility bonus.

All BR can fit a 10MN MWD, but it is primarily only used to get out of bubbles [I like to use it to zip between POS modules].

It is really hard to lose a blockade runner in hisec or lowsec, though beware of smartbomb gate camps [avoid Rancer].

This.

If anyone tells you to tank a BR, run away from them and do not accept their candy. BR's are meant for speed and agility. If you're worried about tank, you're doing it wrong and shouldn't be flying it in the first place.

nah, still hate Rancer. its a cesspit.

edit: gah forgot to add what I really wanted.

blockade runner. seriously t1 industrials are to slow and fragile. just cloak and warp. its your safest bet. since with agility mods (no dont cargo rig them) you will just be a blip on the overview and even with a sensor boosted tornado the ganker has to really be on the ball to catch you. specially on a busy gate. and even then with human reactions, server ticks and everything you have to be really unlucky to get caught.

t1 indies.. well.. they are so slow and fragile we pop em easy. anything with a cov ops cloak and agility rigged, i for one usually just say.. bleep em.. and dont even try. it isnt worth it when they zip around in my lowsec area where i live. its just so darn hard to catch em unless the pilot is a moron.... which.. granted there are a lot of.

What will get you are not being able to cloak (objects too close, like drones or cans, or a large fleet on the gate - been there, done that, lived to tell), or an on-the-ball bubble camp (can be uncloaked before getting out of bubble).

All the Blockade Runners seem optimized to carry around 8,000 m3, and they all warp in about the same amount of time in this configuration.

Cargo rigs don't seem to make a big difference, as Blockade Runners already have high agility, and if you are using istabs (meta 4 of course) agility rigs are stacking penalized. Signature bloom from istabs is not really an issue for the same timing reasons. Increasing velocity does help get out of bubbles faster though, so nanos are suggested if you know you are going through nulsec.

I carry 2x of each at all times: cargo, istabs, and nanos. Fit as needed.

Again, looks like someone hasn't spent much time using a BR. Cargo rigs are a bad enough idea in a BR going through highsec, and can easily get you popped in low/null if a camper is on his A-game and you're being lazy (and if you're using cargo rigs or modules in a BR, you're being lazy). Check out Eve Fitting Tool if you haven't already- the difference between 4s and 8s align time is critical (entering warp always rounds up, so 3.7s becomes 4s, 8.1s becomes 9s, etc.)

Half the fun of using the EVE forums is figuring out who's trying to get you killed, and who's trying to help :).