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Mining payoff - nullsec vs. highsec

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Asmodai Xodai
#1 - 2013-04-25 22:08:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Asmodai Xodai
Did mining in highsec for a while, as it was the best way out of everything I tried to get money. And it was totally boring looking at the same low-grade ore for hours, days, and weeks on end. "Oh look, another veldspar!" The most exciting thing was maybe finding some pristine massive scordite that hadn't already been chewed on, which I could suck on for a good long while without having to reset a laser.

Always coveted these other ores I'd heard of but never even seen - stuff like dark ochre, or golden whatever. Well, upon getting into nullsec and finally getting a chance to mine some of this stuff, what I found out is, much to my dismay, a lot of the stuff is actually LESS lucrative to mine because of the volume the stuff takes up. Or, the lucrativity will be on par with boring highsec stuff, give or take.

There's a few of these exotic ores that are somewhat better than the highsec stuff. But when you factor in the other elements - having to constantly be on alert for belt rat spawns (hint: these things can't be killed by a few measly drones, i.e. they are battleships), having to constantly be on alert for some ganker, never being able to afk mine, etc. it totally isn't worth it.

Is there something I missed? Was my return-on-investment calculation off?
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-04-25 22:11:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Shepard Wong Ogeko
Asmodai Xodai wrote:

Is there something I missed? Or was my return-on-investment calculation off?



You can do a little better on avoiding gankers if you do hidden belts in industry upgraded systems, but that is about it. On the whole, nullsec mining sucks and those highend ores aren't quite as magical once you actually have to mine them and get them to market.

If you seriously just want to mine, the best isk/effort is in highsec.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-04-25 22:14:13 UTC
No. Apparently, people mine mercoxit well enough to devalue it.

Althought its also found in WH and else where, people in null sec seem to make more than enough of it to sell it to hi-sec to make it less profitable than mining hi-sec ores.

I suppose if you got everyone outside of hi-sec to stop mining it, then the price would go back up, but I doubt you would ever get that to happen.

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Asmodai Xodai
#4 - 2013-04-25 22:22:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Asmodai Xodai
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Asmodai Xodai
#5 - 2013-04-25 22:23:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Asmodai Xodai
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Asmodai Xodai
#6 - 2013-04-25 22:23:58 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:

If you seriously just want to mine, the best isk/effort is in highsec.

I didn't seriously want to mine - I wanted to do other things. I was just surprised to to find out that

Quote:
the best isk/effort is in highsec.

Anyway, thanks.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-04-25 22:26:13 UTC
Asmodai Xodai wrote:
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:

If you seriously just want to mine, the best isk/effort is in highsec.

I didn't seriously want to mine - I wanted to do other things. I was just surprised to to find out that

Quote:
the best isk/effort is in highsec.

Anyway, thanks.


Hrm... If you don't actually like mining, why don't you spend $15 on a plex and just use that for a while.

I personally find mining relaxing, so I do it, but if I didn't I'd just spend the money to go PvP.

I mean, if you had money from mining, what would you be doing? If you can tell me that, I can tell you how.

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Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-04-25 22:28:20 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
No. Apparently, people mine mercoxit well enough to devalue it.

Althought its also found in WH and else where, people in null sec seem to make more than enough of it to sell it to hi-sec to make it less profitable than mining hi-sec ores.

I suppose if you got everyone outside of hi-sec to stop mining it, then the price would go back up, but I doubt you would ever get that to happen.



The other side to this is that highsec miners don't mine a comparative amount of low ends. The biggest mining fleets are usually doing ice instead.
Toshiroma McDiesel
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-04-25 22:40:25 UTC
Same old argument I've seen before. If people really want to fix the disparity in price for hisec/nullsec ores, we need lots more people mining in Hisec, and far less mining Null. Maybe even more Null miner ganking.

Couple years back I once saw a Goon state that he would gank any Goon he caught mining. I wonder if he ever did.

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Dave stark
#10 - 2013-04-25 22:41:14 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
No. Apparently, people mine mercoxit well enough to devalue it.

Althought its also found in WH and else where, people in null sec seem to make more than enough of it to sell it to hi-sec to make it less profitable than mining hi-sec ores.

I suppose if you got everyone outside of hi-sec to stop mining it, then the price would go back up, but I doubt you would ever get that to happen.


i'm pretty sure this post demonstrates that you know nothing of how null sec mining works.
Dave stark
#11 - 2013-04-25 22:43:39 UTC
Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:
we need lots more people mining in Hisec, and far less mining Null.


but, it's already like that.
Toshiroma McDiesel
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-04-25 22:47:00 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:
we need lots more people mining in Hisec, and far less mining Null.


but, it's already like that.



I know, but I'm still seeing whine posts every now and again about the income disparity. At least this one didn't come right out and say that "CCP NEEDS TO FIX IT!"

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Dave stark
#13 - 2013-04-25 22:47:51 UTC
Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:
we need lots more people mining in Hisec, and far less mining Null.


but, it's already like that.



I know, but I'm still seeing whine posts every now and again about the income disparity. At least this one didn't come right out and say that "CCP NEEDS TO FIX IT!"


actually, due to recent price shifts, null sec mining is once again more profitable than high sec mining. a few months ago the reverse was true.
however, i feel this is temporary due to odyssey speculation.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#14 - 2013-04-25 22:52:47 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
but, it's already like that.


Look at that...WH and lowsec...unaffected by Hulkageddon.


Wait...what was the point of this thread again?

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Dave stark
#15 - 2013-04-25 22:54:23 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
but, it's already like that.


Look at that...WH and lowsec...unaffected by Hulkageddon.


Wait...what was the point of this thread again?


how can you tell? it's practically 0 for both sectors of space all year round.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-04-25 22:58:23 UTC
I've never done anything in null other than roam with people, but my small understanding of economics tells me that if people didn't supply minerals that were mostly only found in Null, that people wouldn't be able to buy it, therefore driving prices upwards.

Or am I mistaken that prices go down when certain commodities are in short supply?

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EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2013-04-25 22:58:25 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
No. Apparently, people mine mercoxit well enough to devalue it.

Althought its also found in WH and else where, people in null sec seem to make more than enough of it to sell it to hi-sec to make it less profitable than mining hi-sec ores.

I suppose if you got everyone outside of hi-sec to stop mining it, then the price would go back up, but I doubt you would ever get that to happen.

it's devalued because it's produced by cycling grav anoms, so it's overproduced

essentially it's a junk product of a grav anom instead of something people deliberately mine
Dave stark
#18 - 2013-04-25 23:00:19 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
No. Apparently, people mine mercoxit well enough to devalue it.

Althought its also found in WH and else where, people in null sec seem to make more than enough of it to sell it to hi-sec to make it less profitable than mining hi-sec ores.

I suppose if you got everyone outside of hi-sec to stop mining it, then the price would go back up, but I doubt you would ever get that to happen.

it's devalued because it's produced by cycling grav anoms, so it's overproduced

essentially it's a junk product of a grav anom instead of something people deliberately mine


this, people don't really get a choice if they want to mine mercoxit or not.
Tank Talbot
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-04-25 23:11:04 UTC
Sadly, we have often read that the word fun does not appear in CCP design documents. Instead they cover making things feel real. I wonder if as an unintended side effect a new game mechanic was created? It functions whereby the more boring a game job is the more it pays and thus the more exciting a game job proves the less it pays...
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-04-25 23:13:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentamon
When there's some sort of actual risk to nullsec mining the nullsec ores will be worth way more.

Asmodai Xodai wrote:
But when you factor in the other elements - having to constantly be on alert for belt rat spawns (hint: these things can't be killed by a few measly drones, i.e. they are battleships), having to constantly be on alert for some ganker, never being able to afk mine, etc. it totally isn't worth it.


Yeah right, try mining with something other then a 9 day old toon in non-alliance territory.

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