Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hi,

I've just returned after a two-three year break.

Now, there's been enough said about the horrible state of alliance warfare, as far as sovereignty, supercaps etcetera are concerned. I'm not going to add to that, other then by 'just adding this comment on CCP's progress on this front in the last three years: you guys suck.


Now, one other thing that I noticed immediately. And even while it was to be expected, it still shocked me: there's ******* stations all over 0.0 these days! There's likely more systems WITH one then without one.

What do you suppose this does to 0.0 centric playstyles that do not include memebership of a 0.0 based large alliance corporation? The number of player owned base structures (pos, outposts) has scaled up way out of proportion to the playebase when compared to about four-five years ago. But in the same time the amount of NPC owned base structures usable by players has not scaled up at all.

How about either bringing back good old station pingpong, letting outposts be destroyed, or allowing outposts to be sold to NPC sov factions by a conquering alliances?

but how about all the items inside the outposts, also the logged out players, clones etc where all that would go, would it/they just evaporate?

i would say no...

it's not beside the point at all. If outposts can go boom, we'd need to know what happens to the stuff inside them, and I doubt CP really wants to discourage vets from resubbing by blowing up everything they own while they're unsubbed.

I agree as far as, its too simple to just keep losing ships and reshipping in a system and when it comers to it leave with no threat to the supplies stranded.

honestly, in any REAL fight, there should be a point in time when you see the abtle is going bad and you gotta fall abck to cover the haulers evacuating supplies from your precious stations.

if your not willing to hold onto a system to the last bullet/ship then you better learn to not keep your stuff in outposts on the front lines. and if you DO leave your stuff there, im sure you didnt want that faction fit carrier anyways.

as for strategic reasons of why destroying an outpost should be POSSIBLE, there should eb a way toa ctually counter an outpost filled with 200 players+their clones, and 500 spare battleships a piece (yes, an exaggeration, but you get my point). the whole purpose of raids on airfields/harbors in RL is to destroy the enemy's ships/fighters before they ever get launched into combat. the way EvE is now is pretty much an enemy fleet sitting outside an enemy harbor waiting for more ships to be fuly prepped for battle and sail out to war instead of just bombing the shisp left unmanned in dock.

Fair point with the items inside. Clones? Mwah, do what happens to jumpclones that are revoked: auto move to player corp HQ.

As far as i care the same happens with the items, altho i can understand that being too ****** up in terms of game lore and so on.


So, skip destruction.

Leaves:
- pingpong (outpost conquerable fairly easily (50 man gang = 2 hrs, 100 man = 1hr, 200 man = 0.5 hr etc?), offices get closed, manufaturing jobs can be cancelled by conquering corp (mins lost), clones can be reset to empire etcetera etcetera)
OR
- outposts are hard to conquer (as now, maybe slightly more easily) but once conquered can be rented out to NPC faction corps, which means that tax income is changed into NPC faction rent (payable as a small % of the original cost in minerals). Flipsides: everyone can acces all services if standing to NPC faction > X.X. goods are remotely transferable to other stations of same faction for steep fee per m3 if station is in rented state. Station can be reverted to corp held for a fee equal to base value of station in minerals divided by the amount of months sovereignty in the system is held constantly from the date of change to NPC faction rented status.
OR
- debilitation, must be easy for it to have a limiting effect. Downside; doesnt halp non-alliance players one bit.


I like the last one, but that's cause i loub wallsoftexxxxxt!

c'mon, the only regions even remotely fun are the npc ones now ccp! Do something about it ffs

Destroy them +1

I would say yes. EVE was based on risk vs. reward. That said, very simple solution to all this: Make 0.0 profitable enough. You make it so ISK can be made, and they will come. If it's profitable enough, people will build those outposts. And alliances will kill them. Same reason as having a large POS ni a wormhole. It's profitable in the long run, but you've no idea wether that Pirate or merc alliance is gonna come in tomorrow and blow it too kingdom come. This can be countered with a proper emergency response, just like an attack on an outpost. So a fleet of dreadnaughts made for tanking and dealing DPS has launched an attack? Alright, several options:

1. RUN TOO THE HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLS! RUN FO YOUR LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVES!
2. Gather all valuable assets, and consider the outpost scrapped, still making hundreds of billions of ISK.
3. Blast the bloody tards back too their graves! This is your space, and you should HAVE too defend it like you should!