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Ultimate Solo Navy Raven L4 Fit?
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Sean Harpvire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-04-22 21:52:30 UTC
Say skills, isk and gank risk is no concern, what's the BEST of the best for the Navy Raven?

Only after every tree has been cut down, the last river poisoned, and the final fish caught. Only then, will you find that money cannot be eaten. 
Hakaimono
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-04-22 22:49:38 UTC
Gank risk will always be a concern if you're trying to pimp your CNR and announce it all over the forums.
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#3 - 2013-04-22 22:54:59 UTC
The way you worded your question, I'm not sure that there is a corrrect answer.

For example an all officer fit CNR might have the best figures on paper, but actually fielding such a fit is anything but a good idea for obvious reasons.
And "the best" would be quite different with regard to what you want to fly against. For L4 missions shield hardeners vary with npc type. And a PvE build would get you killed in PvP fast (actually I would suggest to stay away from PvP with a CNR, especially a faction fit CNR - such a ship is just an invitation to everyone to shot you to pad their killboards).
Besides this there are also different fitting philosophies: with or without AB/MWD? With or without target painters? Pulsed shield tank or perma boosted shield tank? Etc. And your decision will affect what you need in other places ... like capacitator rigs for a perma boosted shield tank or rigor rigs if you don't have a TP etc.
In short, there are several good CNR fits but it depends on what you want it for and also on your playstyle.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2013-04-23 00:38:03 UTC
For PVE it works just fine with 3 x CN BCS's and a Pith C XL shield booster. Rest can be T2.
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#5 - 2013-04-23 01:42:23 UTC
Its called a Machariel

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stoicfaux
#6 - 2013-04-23 03:11:13 UTC
9 minutes of cap should be plenty to kill off the current pocket. You'll want to tweak the hardeners/SBAs if you go up against Sansha/Amarr NPCs. Against Guristas or Serps, you may want to add ECCM or a sensor booster in place of one SBA.

[Raven Navy Issue, Sure, why not?]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Signal Amplifier II

Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Domination Target Painter

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam II

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst II


Hobgoblin II x5
Garde II x3

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-04-23 04:03:39 UTC
Sean Harpvire wrote:
Say skills, isk and gank risk is no concern, what's the BEST of the best for the Navy Raven?



Here's what I would go for. If you post the system you mission in I would even help you run some missions :D



[Raven Navy Issue, Gank me!]
Estamel's Modified Ballistic Control System
Estamel's Modified Ballistic Control System
Estamel's Modified Ballistic Control System
Estamel's Modified Ballistic Control System
Estamel's Modified Ballistic Control System

Estamel's Modified Large Shield Booster
Estamel's Modified EM Ward Field
Estamel's Modified Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Estamel's Modified Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Estamel's Modified Shield Boost Amplifier
Estamel's Modified Shield Boost Amplifier

Estamel's Modified Cruise Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Estamel's Modified Cruise Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Estamel's Modified Cruise Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Estamel's Modified Cruise Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Estamel's Modified Cruise Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Estamel's Modified Cruise Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Estamel's Modified Cruise Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]

Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]


Salvage Drone I x5
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#8 - 2013-04-23 05:57:04 UTC
[Raven Navy Issue, L4s]

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
F-89 Synchronized Signal Amplifier

Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
EM Ward Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
[Empty High slot]

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I


Garde II x3
Hobgoblin II x5

Here's what I used to use, I feel it's cost effective, no money wasted really, you could throw more at it but it won't really improve your mission time by much.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-04-23 07:33:22 UTC
CN cruise launchers are a decent increase to dps

Art of Explosions
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#10 - 2013-04-23 08:02:16 UTC
An AB is also extremely useful. Plus it will increase your effective tank a little.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#11 - 2013-04-23 08:22:32 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
An AB is also extremely useful. Plus it will increase your effective tank a little.


Tank isn't really an issue if you fit it right, but yeah, you need an AB for some missions with gatecrawls/mission item pickups or you'll have to slowboat there which will ruin your mission time. These missions are a minority though, most can be done by just sitting in one place and tanking and ganking.
Texty
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-04-24 05:08:10 UTC
[Raven Navy Issue]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Signal Amplifier II

Gist B-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Domination Target Painter
Domination Target Painter
Domination Target Painter
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Auto Targeting System II

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5

I tried this on Duality with the cruise missile changes. I got Gone Berserk and this kills BSs in 2-3 shots, cruisers in a single shot. Pretty fun :)
M'iranna
Sanctum of Citizens
#13 - 2013-04-24 07:03:16 UTC  |  Edited by: M'iranna
stoicfaux wrote:

[Raven Navy Issue, Sure, why not?]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Signal Amplifier II

Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Domination Target Painter

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam II

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst II


Hobgoblin II x5
Garde II x3

It's a great fit!
The major difference in what I use is that,I have 2 T2 rigor rigs, and 1 T1 flare. Is the damage application better with your rig setup?

Ok, now I see we have all kinds of rigor/flare setups here. Let's talk about which has the best damage application.

1. 2 rigor T1 + 1 rigor T2
2. 2 rigor T2 + 1 flare T1
3. 1 rigor T2 + 1 rigor T1 + 1 flare T2
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-04-25 01:56:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Caleidascope
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
CN cruise launchers are a decent increase to dps

Nope. You only get 2 dps more per launcher when compared to t2 launchers. So with 7 launchers you get 14 more dps.

On the other hand, CN bcs is a great upgrade.

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Eat dessert first!
loki energon
Anasazi Wanderratter's Social Club
#15 - 2013-04-25 03:11:17 UTC
ive taken your standard CNR and replaced the faction xl-booster with an XL ancillary shield booster, and the AB with a micro-jump drive.
with an effective range of 150km, its a simple task to mjd out 100km and pop npcs well out of their effective range.

kill em all.
stoicfaux
#16 - 2013-04-25 04:01:15 UTC
M'iranna wrote:
The major difference in what I use is that,I have 2 T2 rigor rigs, and 1 T1 flare. Is the damage application better with your rig setup?

Ok, now I see we have all kinds of rigor/flare setups here. Let's talk about which has the best damage application.

1. 2 rigor T1 + 1 rigor T2
2. 2 rigor T2 + 1 flare T1
3. 1 rigor T2 + 1 rigor T1 + 1 flare T2


2xRigor IIs and one t1 flare should be best. I wouldn't sweat it too much.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Sean Harpvire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-04-30 08:31:25 UTC
Thank you very much you wonderful people.
But alas, a Faction/Officer CNR is a pipe dream for me, least I have something to aim for! Roll

Only after every tree has been cut down, the last river poisoned, and the final fish caught. Only then, will you find that money cannot be eaten. 
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-04-30 08:57:47 UTC
Sean Harpvire wrote:
Thank you very much you wonderful people.
But alas, a Faction/Officer CNR is a pipe dream for me, least I have something to aim for! Roll

you are a very humble man if all you dream of is a mission boat...

I should buy an Ishtar.
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-04-30 09:02:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Caitlyn Tufy
Sean Harpvire wrote:
Say skills, isk and gank risk is no concern, what's the BEST of the best for the Navy Raven?


Not the best of the best, but still a bling fit:

[Raven Navy Issue, Thor's Hammer]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Signal Amplifier II

Gist A-Type EM Ward Field
Gist A-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Gistum A-type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Gist A-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Domination Target Painter
Large Micro Jump Drive

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Garde II x3
Hobgoblin II x5

Add CM-606 and RL-1006 for max dps. In Odyssey, this thing will be capable of scary ranged dps. Coming to a trading hub near you at mere 4 billion isk and change (implants not included) :D

Then again, for that price you can get a well fitted Machariel / Nightmare / Vindicator...
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-04-30 09:30:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
Sean Harpvire wrote:
Thank you very much you wonderful people.
But alas, a Faction/Officer CNR is a pipe dream for me, least I have something to aim for! Roll

Officer fit missioning BSs aren't a good goal, more like something to avoid at all. It will just get you ganked while you'll have little to no performance improvement out of it.

Keep in mind that PvE boat is an investment and if all the revenue goes into improving it, it kinda kills entire reason to have one (unless it's a goal on its own because you can). Remember that it will take forever for overblinged boat to pay itself off when compared to something like "T2 + faction damage mods" fit.

Also, I love how everyone came up with PvE fits even though OP said "solo", which usually implies... Well, something people don't really do in Navy Ravens Big smile

Although it seems that PvE fit was exaclty what OP meant.

P.S. "ISK is no concern" in OP and then "faction fits are pipe dream" in the next post? Erm, excuse me?

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