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more titans unsubscribed then actually paying to play the game?

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#1 - 2013-04-25 00:36:35 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
so is it true there are more unsuscribed titans then actually active ones?

from what i understand certain alliances have the ability to produce many titans but just cuss you have a titan does not mean its a safe titan... and you only need so many active for fleets and can reactivate ones if needed fast.

So does this mean that as an insurance policy alliances like goons and PL keep the majority of their titans unsubsribed?

Like can you even kill an unsubscribed ship?

I guess when you here that a titan was killed that its already replaced is true...

i mean how hard is it for a rich alliance to buy titan chars with plex and then offline them the next ship that is made...

to me this is bull!

i would make is so if you unsub a titan then that titan does not become unscanable in deep space...

but also add the ability for a titan to plug into a outpost and make it a battleoutpost! One titan per outpost. The battle portion(titan) of the outpost can be integrated into an outpost or uninstalled (just takes a while to do so) and when you take a battle outpost it gets damaged and requires a certain amount of time and items to be repaired.

as it stands you cant stop capital proliferation... its silly to try... but why not use these titans to also enhance outposts and make those destructible outposts we are all looking for?






edit: when a battle outpost is taken it cant be used for anything other then docking and 30% of total assets are destructed....

destructed assets are random.

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Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

Akiyo Mayaki
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-04-25 00:43:21 UTC
Not quite sure if I follow.

Titans are usually only ships you have an ALT for, so they are logged out most of the time anyway.

Besides, I would imagine people rather risk losing a titan in a fight than to inactivity, which I think would be the biggest problem with accounts that are not subbed.

No

Tank Talbot
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-04-25 00:53:18 UTC
I guess personal goals still rule regardless of corporation and perhaps the developer comment that as the end of ship progression Titan pilots thought they had done it all by then might be true. To me it sounds like they don’t typically come back. But I find your theory that some alliance players might “mothball” their titian pilot accounts until a war is on interesting while playing on another.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-04-25 00:57:10 UTC
Size matters.

Shocked

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Zircon Dasher
#5 - 2013-04-25 01:08:40 UTC
No, no, no...... it must be because titans are end-game content. lol

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.

Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-04-25 01:14:05 UTC
LF7M Titan raid, post ilvl and spec in comment. Show up 10 mins before the raid, and have flasks or don't come.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-04-25 01:16:07 UTC  |  Edited by: SmilingVagrant
The issue is that outside of well supported fleet combat Titans and SC's are largely useless. Mass supercap ops are a relative rarity and have always been a bit of a rarity, so individual pilots find themselves paying for this account that never logs in, with a character that is sitting in a coffin.

That character can't make isk for them, it can't effectively be used for personal objectives (See the Carrier, arguably the most useful ship in the game). So many pilots when they see they haven't logged in to do anything but shoot pos for 3-4 months just say "**** it" and quit the game on that character.

Subcaps are fun, they are dynamic, if you lose one you can be in another in a very short period of time, even if it's a lesser model. You can dock up and change subcaps, if you are bored you can undock in your subcap and roam around solo. To a lesser degree you can do this with capitals as well (Not so much running around solo, need the cyno after all). Supercaps are a ******* space coffin. They should have never been introduced to the game.

Ultimately the only way to regularly use your supercap pilot and actually enjoy it is to have a holding character to hold your stupid ******* super.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#8 - 2013-04-25 01:21:39 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
i mean how hard is it for a rich alliance to buy titan chars with plex and then offline them the next ship that is made...
It's not a matter of being “hard”; it's a matter of being a pretty silly and wasteful thing to do.

Why keep a parking alt alive — draining ISK and clogging up the system — when you can… you know… not do that?

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i would make is so if you unsub a titan then that titan does not become unscanable in deep space...
To what end? You can't kill a subscribed titan any more than you can kill an unsubscribed one: neither will be logged in, so neither will present you with a target to attack.
I dont troll
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-04-25 01:24:35 UTC
WTF is this post about.....if someone is logged of in a titan and not subbed then why the F*&k do you care
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#10 - 2013-04-25 01:26:52 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
I dont troll wrote:
WTF is this post about.....if someone is logged of in a titan and not subbed then why the F*&k do you care


because the majority are on unsub chars and are not used... is why...

its supposed to be a bad ass assets and currently they are a space coffin...

thats



why


I


Care.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

dark heartt
#11 - 2013-04-25 01:27:40 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
The issue is that outside of well supported fleet combat Titans and SC's are largely useless. Mass supercap ops are a relative rarity and have always been a bit of a rarity, so individual pilots find themselves paying for this account that never logs in, with a character that is sitting in a coffin.

That character can't make isk for them, it can't effectively be used for personal objectives (See the Carrier, arguably the most useful ship in the game). So many pilots when they see they haven't logged in to do anything but shoot pos for 3-4 months just say "**** it" and quit the game on that character.

Subcaps are fun, they are dynamic, if you lose one you can be in another in a very short period of time, even if it's a lesser model. You can dock up and change subcaps, if you are bored you can undock in your subcap and roam around solo. To a lesser degree you can do this with capitals as well (Not so much running around solo, need the cyno after all). Supercaps are a ******* space coffin. They should have never been introduced to the game.

Ultimately the only way to regularly use your supercap pilot and actually enjoy it is to have a holding character to hold your stupid ******* super.


Do you think that allowing them to dock in a safe manner to switch ships would stop them from unsubbing? Or are they just bored in general?
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-04-25 01:47:13 UTC
dark heartt wrote:
Do you think that allowing them to dock in a safe manner to switch ships would stop them from unsubbing? Or are they just bored in general?


Yes, but this would create a supercap proliferation problem. Right now I have a character that could very easily sit in a near perfect Nyx. The main holding point has been that I'd no longer be able to flit around in my Thanatos (Using it as my personal logistics boat).

Some would argue that the main sticking point of supercaps is cost, I'd disagree. We've run polls in the past and the main reason no one wants to fly a Titan is they don't want an account almost entirely tied up with Titan bullshit. Isk generation... while extremely tedious and unfun to the point of being an active antagonist in this game, isn't actually HARD. I could easily get the cost of a SC while watching netflix over the course of a couple of months.

I'd just hate myself for doing it because it's a boring way to play a game.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#13 - 2013-04-25 02:01:18 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
I dont troll wrote:
WTF is this post about.....if someone is logged of in a titan and not subbed then why the F*&k do you care


because the majority are on unsub chars and are not used... is why...

its supposed to be a bad ass assets and currently they are a space coffin...


So... you want to make it a Space Coffin that dies as soon as your sub lapses? How does that make it "bad ass"?

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#14 - 2013-04-25 02:07:29 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
I dont troll wrote:
WTF is this post about.....if someone is logged of in a titan and not subbed then why the F*&k do you care


because the majority are on unsub chars and are not used... is why...

its supposed to be a bad ass assets and currently they are a space coffin...


So... you want to make it a Space Coffin that dies as soon as your sub lapses? How does that make it "bad ass"?


no i want to take rigs away from super caps

make sc dockable only in battle outposts... and make titans able to link up with an outpost to make them balltle outposts.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2013-04-25 03:06:56 UTC
Because playing docking games with an aeon sounds like loads of fun for everyone involved.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#16 - 2013-04-25 03:09:27 UTC
Nex apparatu5 wrote:
Because playing docking games with an aeon sounds like loads of fun for everyone involved.


personally and this is just me but all low sec and 0.0 outposts and stations should be 'kick-out"

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#17 - 2013-04-25 03:11:54 UTC
I keep my titan alt on an account full full of petty alts.
Haulie Berry
#18 - 2013-04-25 03:16:20 UTC
I can't believe how many people are taking the time to construct lucid responses to this idiocy. Freaks.

A more sensible response is as follows:

Oh, **** off.
Galaxy Chicken
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#19 - 2013-04-25 03:59:21 UTC
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violator2k5
Crescent Nova
#20 - 2013-04-25 05:36:06 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
I dont troll wrote:
WTF is this post about.....if someone is logged of in a titan and not subbed then why the F*&k do you care


because the majority are on unsub chars and are not used... is why...

its supposed to be a bad ass assets and currently they are a space coffin...


it used to be bad ass for those who loved their I win button, till they nerfed it. when there was enough titans in the game to nuke a cap fleet that's what probably opened ccp's eyes in the first place about changing the DD.

personally no one should really have a say over what another person does as long as they follow the games rules. if they want to log off their tit or mom and let the sub run dry then its up to them ( its subbed with either their money or gtc's) no one else's.
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