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Please fix the broken targetting/firing issue

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Hestia Mar
Calmaretto
#1 - 2011-11-01 17:42:42 UTC
There have always been lots of threads about fixing various in-game issues, but why does no-one ever bring up the most obvious fail in the game...

If I, in ship A, target another Ship B, and Ship C is actually in a direct line between us, then my weapons will still hit ship B, whereas they should only hit ship C. WTF?

There is no reason whatsoever (no game lore, no 'jovian' physics) that suggests that the real rules of physics can be subverted in this way, so please can we have this fixed now?

Fixing this would help miners especially since they should be able to hide behind 'roids and so on, but would also make pvp less predictable - no more warp to 0, lock, fire, pop!

H
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-11-01 17:47:01 UTC
Hestia Mar wrote:
There have always been lots of threads about fixing various in-game issues, but why does no-one ever bring up the most obvious fail in the game...

If I, in ship A, target another Ship B, and Ship C is actually in a direct line between us, then my weapons will still hit ship B, whereas they should only hit ship C. WTF?

There is no reason whatsoever (no game lore, no 'jovian' physics) that suggests that the real rules of physics can be subverted in this way, so please can we have this fixed now?

Fixing this would help miners especially since they should be able to hide behind 'roids and so on, but would also make pvp less predictable - no more warp to 0, lock, fire, pop!

H



This is definitely what should happen. Flying a small ship into and through an asteroid field should be a defence and so on and so forth, it may be hard coding or whatever but PLEASE let this be...

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#3 - 2011-11-01 18:15:03 UTC
Hestia Mar wrote:
There have always been lots of threads about fixing various in-game issues, but why does no-one ever bring up the most obvious fail in the game...

If I, in ship A, target another Ship B, and Ship C is actually in a direct line between us, then my weapons will still hit ship B, whereas they should only hit ship C. WTF?

There is no reason whatsoever (no game lore, no 'jovian' physics) that suggests that the real rules of physics can be subverted in this way, so please can we have this fixed now?

Fixing this would help miners especially since they should be able to hide behind 'roids and so on, but would also make pvp less predictable - no more warp to 0, lock, fire, pop!

H



In theory you are absolutely correct. In practise it would generate intolerable levels of lag.

Don't get me wrong, on a small scale it could be easily done, but the same code that drives your small mining op in a belt also has to work for a 2000 person fleet battle.

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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#4 - 2011-11-01 18:27:22 UTC
problem is that all this physics *must* be calculated on the server. (Line of sight) collision detection between N points is quite computational intensive and grows dramatically with growing N.

for the same reason there are no longer AOE weapons since they had the same problem.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#5 - 2011-11-01 18:29:43 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Hestia Mar wrote:
There have always been lots of threads about fixing various in-game issues, but why does no-one ever bring up the most obvious fail in the game...

If I, in ship A, target another Ship B, and Ship C is actually in a direct line between us, then my weapons will still hit ship B, whereas they should only hit ship C. WTF?

There is no reason whatsoever (no game lore, no 'jovian' physics) that suggests that the real rules of physics can be subverted in this way, so please can we have this fixed now?

Fixing this would help miners especially since they should be able to hide behind 'roids and so on, but would also make pvp less predictable - no more warp to 0, lock, fire, pop!

H



In theory you are absolutely correct. In practise it would generate intolerable levels of lag.

Don't get me wrong, on a small scale it could be easily done, but the same code that drives your small mining op in a belt also has to work for a 2000 person fleet battle.


Exactly.
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#6 - 2011-11-01 18:31:30 UTC
Hestia Mar wrote:
There have always been lots of threads about fixing various in-game issues, but why does no-one ever bring up the most obvious fail in the game...

If I, in ship A, target another Ship B, and Ship C is actually in a direct line between us, then my weapons will still hit ship B, whereas they should only hit ship C. WTF?

There is no reason whatsoever (no game lore, no 'jovian' physics) that suggests that the real rules of physics can be subverted in this way, so please can we have this fixed now?

Fixing this would help miners especially since they should be able to hide behind 'roids and so on, but would also make pvp less predictable - no more warp to 0, lock, fire, pop!

H


Just don't expect too much logic in EVE.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#7 - 2011-11-01 18:33:16 UTC
even if it could be implemented this would break lots things ingame...

ninja looter would have a new profession: navigate between you and your target and wait for concord

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#8 - 2011-11-01 18:35:54 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
even if it could be implemented this would break lots things ingame...

ninja looter would have a new profession: navigate between you and your target and wait for concord


Hahaha!

They must implement this.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-11-01 18:38:08 UTC
also roids and stations should prevent weapons fire from passing through them

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MNagy
Yo-Mama
#10 - 2011-11-01 19:53:11 UTC
The calculations required for that would probably bring on so much lag its not even funny.
They would not only have to keep track of
1. Your ship
2. All Other Ships
3. All your drones + all other drones
4. New objects - every bullet - every line of site of each bullet and missile.... and so on.

That would not only kill the lag on the game but also all the information taht would constnatly have to be passed back and forth between the clients and servers thus increasing bandwith on your side too.

I like the idea, but since I think that would be virtually impossible I vote no.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#11 - 2011-11-01 19:57:16 UTC
Realism =/= Fun.

Eve is not a fighter sim or a FPS, having to deal with things like LOS wouldn't work in Eve, and would be horrible.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
stoicfaux
#12 - 2011-11-01 19:59:21 UTC
The rounds from Eve weapons fire down micro-warp tunnels, thus letting them shoot through objects, in much the same way that ships can warp through stations and planets.

Missiles, however, are just magic.

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Alyssa Yotosala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-11-01 21:58:41 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
there are no longer AOE weapons since they had the same problem.


Wait...what? Did CCP take away Smartbombs and Bombs from the game?

When did this happen?


oh hang on, i checked, they are still there.

Now, im not going to tell you that you are wrong...but.....you are wrong.
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#14 - 2011-11-01 22:04:11 UTC
Eve LOS would be awesome if we had more manual control of our ships.
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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#15 - 2011-11-01 22:12:10 UTC
god could you imagine the result to the AI?
suddenly the not-so-hot-as-it-is pathing code just up and dies as it has to plot around LOS obstructions

not to mention friendly fire and LOS griefing.



oh hell no
Naran Eto
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2011-11-01 22:17:06 UTC
Hestia Mar wrote:
There have always been lots of threads about fixing various in-game issues, but why does no-one ever bring up the most obvious fail in the game...

If I, in ship A, target another Ship B, and Ship C is actually in a direct line between us, then my weapons will still hit ship B, whereas they should only hit ship C. WTF?

There is no reason whatsoever (no game lore, no 'jovian' physics) that suggests that the real rules of physics can be subverted in this way, so please can we have this fixed now?

Fixing this would help miners especially since they should be able to hide behind 'roids and so on, but would also make pvp less predictable - no more warp to 0, lock, fire, pop!

H



That is not a bug or an issue to be honest, it's simply how the game is, this game is not a free firing shoot-em-up like a FPS, the mechanics of combat in EVE just don't really allow for that.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#17 - 2011-11-01 23:51:00 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pxjnl1yuXk#t=20s

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Amro One
One.
#18 - 2011-11-02 01:09:02 UTC
There is a movie called 'wanted' that answer your question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJTXpItCqFU
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#19 - 2011-11-02 02:49:05 UTC
itt: I want to play sims in space.

Give it up. Also, you are perfectly welcome to fly your frigate through an asteroid belt to escape a BS. I guarantee it won't follow you through. Won't stop him from shooting at you though. Or just warping to the other side if he has the bm/fleet-mate available.

While it would be cool, it would melt the servers, having to calculate hit detections on every object on grid every time someone fires.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#20 - 2011-11-02 09:33:04 UTC
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