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New BLOPS ships?
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Tiberius Patterson
The IXth Legion
#1 - 2013-04-23 18:59:29 UTC
I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this but I'll ask anyway.

I seem to remember reading a post a while back where there was some information about new Black Ops ships being released in the Summer expansion. For the life of me, I cannot seem to find that post. Does anyone know either a) where I can find that post and/or b) if there is any information on it somewhere, if true.
Hakaimono
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-04-23 19:14:16 UTC
I hope its not true. Can't imagine why we need more of those.
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-04-23 19:16:14 UTC
black ops is a dead class. Name how many you've seen, ever.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Bruce Kemp
Suddenly taken over
#4 - 2013-04-23 19:20:29 UTC
Alexa Coates wrote:
black ops is a dead class. Name how many you've seen, ever.


They are used quite alot in low sec, hot dropping in gangs.
Auduin Samson
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-04-23 19:34:50 UTC
Alexa Coates wrote:
black ops is a dead class. Name how many you've seen, ever.


Wouldn't seeing them kind of defeat their purpose?
Liquid Omega
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-04-23 19:44:54 UTC
Alexa Coates wrote:
black ops is a dead class. Name how many you've seen, ever.



Wait until you meet PL hotdroppers and you know that BLOPS is not dead.
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-04-23 20:19:47 UTC
Tiberius Patterson wrote:
I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this but I'll ask anyway.

I seem to remember reading a post a while back where there was some information about new Black Ops ships being released in the Summer expansion. For the life of me, I cannot seem to find that post. Does anyone know either a) where I can find that post and/or b) if there is any information on it somewhere, if true.


That is incorrect. In CSM minutes last december, Ytterbium and Fozzie mentioned that they'd like to split Black Ops into a "Combat" and "Covert" variant, but I do remember the majority of CSM disagreeing at the time, suggesting that the existing ships get a combat buff instead.
Tiberius Patterson
The IXth Legion
#8 - 2013-04-23 21:18:57 UTC
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
Tiberius Patterson wrote:
I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this but I'll ask anyway.

I seem to remember reading a post a while back where there was some information about new Black Ops ships being released in the Summer expansion. For the life of me, I cannot seem to find that post. Does anyone know either a) where I can find that post and/or b) if there is any information on it somewhere, if true.


That is incorrect. In CSM minutes last december, Ytterbium and Fozzie mentioned that they'd like to split Black Ops into a "Combat" and "Covert" variant, but I do remember the majority of CSM disagreeing at the time, suggesting that the existing ships get a combat buff instead.


Thanks for that. I appreciate the reply. That would also explain why I can't seem to find anything on it.
Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#9 - 2013-04-23 23:51:13 UTC
I don't understand why they would feel a need to break it down in to two different sub categories. A recon ship without a cloak is a bit silly and a black ops ship without a cloak seems insane considering they already have bad scan res in addition to no targeting delay. They already have the basis for a strong combat ship within the existing ship design it just needs tweaks. Making them bigger more badass versions of recon ships might make sense in a certain kind of way but mostly it's a cop out in game design. As an example take the widow and make it torpedoes and ecm and it's just an oversized rook. Take the widow now give it much higher mobility and enough slots to solo another battleship with relative ease and you have a potent ambush ship that isn't much good against much else without back up.

To which effect it might pay to make a highslot module that can lock on to covert cyno signals to provide more incentive to fly ships that produce them.
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#10 - 2013-04-24 01:39:52 UTC
Hakaimono wrote:
I hope its not true. Can't imagine why we need more of those.

But they might look cool!

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#11 - 2013-04-24 04:49:09 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
I don't understand why they would feel a need to break it down in to two different sub categories. A recon ship without a cloak is a bit silly and a black ops ship without a cloak seems insane considering they already have bad scan res in addition to no targeting delay. They already have the basis for a strong combat ship within the existing ship design it just needs tweaks. Making them bigger more badass versions of recon ships might make sense in a certain kind of way but mostly it's a cop out in game design. As an example take the widow and make it torpedoes and ecm and it's just an oversized rook. Take the widow now give it much higher mobility and enough slots to solo another battleship with relative ease and you have a potent ambush ship that isn't much good against much else without back up.

To which effect it might pay to make a highslot module that can lock on to covert cyno signals to provide more incentive to fly ships that produce them.


A cloakwarper with greater than battleship firepower that can win a battleship dps/ehp race and cannot even be locked down into a system is just waaay too overpowered. Lowsec would just be rife with hunting blops and the forums would be a river of blops tears, and people would be using them instead of marauders for missions, given that once you get over 1000 dps or so you don't really need a tank.

I'm sure each ship could do with some adjustments, but their group role is what should define them.
Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#12 - 2013-04-24 11:20:02 UTC
Are you implying that a maelstrom, a ship that can tank 1400dps for some 30 seconds without consuming any capacitor would insinuate your average 1000dps blaster boat doesn't need "a tank"?

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#13 - 2013-04-24 12:26:39 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Are you implying that a maelstrom, a ship that can tank 1400dps for some 30 seconds without consuming any capacitor would insinuate your average 1000dps blaster boat doesn't need "a tank"?

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Add a Scimi or Basi and a Vulture in fleet with that and you'll definitely ruin someone's day.

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Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#14 - 2013-04-24 12:41:44 UTC
I did a google search for "EVE Black Ops Changes" and here is the top result....

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=195189

Roll

Also, BLOPS is not dead.

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Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
#15 - 2013-04-24 13:09:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Buhhdust Princess
Yep, Blops is dead. We haven't used them since release date at all.

They're terrible. Sell all of yours.

Also, that raven is missing a cyno. DerpOops
Camper101
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-04-24 13:09:40 UTC
Confirming that Black Ops are useless and never used. Before even thinking about using them, please move along. There is nothing to see here.

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#17 - 2013-04-24 13:56:30 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Are you implying that a maelstrom, a ship that can tank 1400dps for some 30 seconds without consuming any capacitor would insinuate your average 1000dps blaster boat doesn't need "a tank"?



I'm saying that the job of squaring up against your raven is a job for the Kronos, not the Sin, and if the Sin suddenly had Kronos+ dps, then not only would it do a lot of solo pvp, it would also replace the kronos in pve - and its thin tank wouldn't matter once the pilot can reach the magic dps number.
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-04-24 14:55:47 UTC
Bruce Kemp wrote:
Alexa Coates wrote:
black ops is a dead class. Name how many you've seen, ever.


They are used quite alot in low sec, hot dropping in gangs.


Such good gameplay that CCP should be encouraging. Roll
Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#19 - 2013-04-24 15:10:05 UTC
What "should" a black ops be doing? I always sorta saw it as a ship that goes deep in to enemy territory and ganks the **** outta their mission ships etc. That's why I made the suggestion about their capacity to kill enemy BS class vessels. Give them bonuses that help them against BS but still make them useless against cruisers/frigates making them a heavily stealth/ambush based ship but once that puppy uncloaks you're dead without back up.
PhantomF HarlockIII
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#20 - 2013-04-24 16:29:45 UTC
Black Ops...?

i never saw them in game... they really exist and are usefull? P

I rove brack ops
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