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Faction Mining Barge for harder ganking
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Lando Storm
Discount Proctology Professionals.
#21 - 2011-11-01 18:54:24 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Lando Storm wrote:
Lets start by saying that i personaly dont mine and i fully support ganking mininers, the fact that its allowed makes this game like no other. and i live in null sec so the less ppl mining the better for my corp mates who do mine. Big smile

but i was thinking that some times ganking is just too easy and should be made a littel more intresting.

so i would like to see Faction Mining Barges. can fit the same amount of strip mininers but with no mining bonus. instead have an additional 3 higslots for launchers or turrets and the bonuses can be for tank and DPS. like a Damage bonus to FoF missles or a turret bonus.

This way as soon as the would be victim gets agro he can shoot back and help concord kill the ganker faster but if the ganker is sucessful he has a nice faction ship on his killboard. Maybe make them cost the same as the T2 equivalent or higher.

With no mining bonuses to the ships this would not make the current exumers obsel33t.

what you guys think



Perhaps you haven't noticed, but mining barges are all ORE Faction ships.



Ok then we can name them Navy Mining Wesels if that makes you feel better.
Rod Blaine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2011-11-01 18:54:49 UTC
no, paying attention for harder ganking
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#23 - 2011-11-01 18:55:29 UTC
Just say you want a tier 4 exhumer and run with that.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#24 - 2011-11-01 18:58:09 UTC
Allow rorquals in highsec.
Lando Storm
Discount Proctology Professionals.
#25 - 2011-11-01 18:58:30 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Just say you want a tier 4 exhumer and run with that.



sure why not Tier 4 it is
Gealbhan
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#26 - 2011-11-01 19:01:25 UTC
Tank a hulk properly and it can survive most gank attempts, they'd have to throw real isk into the gank to destroy your hulk and by then it becomes counter productive.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#27 - 2011-11-01 19:04:14 UTC
You seem awful keen to defend these new tanky mining barges for someone who isn't a miner.

Get ganked recently?

Katrina Oniseki
Lando Storm
Discount Proctology Professionals.
#28 - 2011-11-01 19:10:22 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
You seem awful keen to defend these new tanky mining barges for someone who isn't a miner.

Get ganked recently?



0/10 on the T meter.

Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2011-11-01 19:19:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Krios Ahzek
Weaselior wrote:
i support faction mining barges but only if they're hilariously expensive



Considering Hulks are 200 mil, Faction barges should be 1 bil minimum.

But hey, it'll tank 40% more gankers!

Gealbhan wrote:
Tank a hulk properly and it can survive most gank attempts, they'd have to throw real isk into the gank to destroy your hulk and by then it becomes counter productive.


You truly think miner ganking is actually ''productive'' ?

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Gealbhan
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#30 - 2011-11-01 19:36:20 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
i support faction mining barges but only if they're hilariously expensive



Considering Hulks are 200 mil, Faction barges should be 1 bil minimum.

But hey, it'll tank 40% more gankers!

Gealbhan wrote:
Tank a hulk properly and it can survive most gank attempts, they'd have to throw real isk into the gank to destroy your hulk and by then it becomes counter productive.


You truly think miner ganking is actually ''productive'' ?


No, I'm just saying it could be made less appealing by fitting your barge properly.
Lando Storm
Discount Proctology Professionals.
#31 - 2011-11-01 20:09:59 UTC
Gealbhan wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
i support faction mining barges but only if they're hilariously expensive



Considering Hulks are 200 mil, Faction barges should be 1 bil minimum.

But hey, it'll tank 40% more gankers!

Gealbhan wrote:
Tank a hulk properly and it can survive most gank attempts, they'd have to throw real isk into the gank to destroy your hulk and by then it becomes counter productive.


You truly think miner ganking is actually ''productive'' ?


No, I'm just saying it could be made less appealing by fitting your barge properly.



Acutaly ganking miners help the EvE economy by making 2+ players buy new ships and mod Big smile
Justin Credulent
Luv You Long Time
#32 - 2011-11-01 20:28:04 UTC
Quote:
no, paying attention for harder ganking


Except it actually doesn't matter if you're paying attention.


I don't agree with the OP regarding "Faction Barges" and launcher fittings on mining ships... but I think he's on the right track.

I think what CCP should do is actually give exhumers more armor/shields.

Considering a Hulk costs 200 mil, it shouldn't be a piece of paper floating in space. It should actually require a serious investment on the part of the ganker to bring it down. And the ganker should have consequences for doing so - for instance, forfeiture of insurance payout.

Note, this will not "remove" suicide ganking from the game. It will simply make the game more like real life.

Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships!
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#33 - 2011-11-01 20:35:35 UTC
We already got faction barges.

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Lando Storm
Discount Proctology Professionals.
#34 - 2011-11-01 20:53:53 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
We already got faction barges.



we have faction barges just like we have faction Ishtars ( CreoDron )
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2011-11-01 21:02:49 UTC
Justin Credulent wrote:
Considering a Hulk costs 200 mil, it shouldn't be a piece of paper floating in space. It should actually require a serious investment on the part of the ganker to bring it down.

its a civilian ship for worthless peasants of course it should be made of rags

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#36 - 2011-11-01 21:05:25 UTC
All Barges & Exhumers.............and salvagers........... and capital industrials........ are ORE faction ships already.

But even if that were the case, having moar tank would make botting easier for Nullminers, and it would still do nothing if the alpha strike was high.

Miners should be aligned to station always, and be at least 50% impulse; they'll be gone before they need a tank if they stay aware using D-scan, or even just by looking around.

Instead of having everyone cater to the miners, and make life easier for them, make ganking more rewarding (Higher probability of items being dropped from destroyed ships?) but more dangerous. If the miners suck ass, and just mine AFK, it's their own damn fault for being brain-dead.

The pie is a tautology
Khai'ne
True Grit.
#37 - 2011-11-01 21:10:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Khai'ne
If you're living in fear of being ganked, mine in a Rokh...pulls in m(ore) than a retriever and you get 200k+ ehp.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#38 - 2011-11-01 21:13:13 UTC
Khai'ne wrote:
If you're living in fear of being ganked, mine in a Rokh...pulls in ore than a retriever and you get 200k+ ehp.

my botting isk/hour!!!!!

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Fuujin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#39 - 2011-11-01 21:16:05 UTC
I would enjoy killing a 1B utterly uninsurable vanity barge.
Justin Credulent
Luv You Long Time
#40 - 2011-11-01 21:29:26 UTC
Quote:
But even if that were the case, having moar tank would make botting easier for Nullminers, and it would still do nothing if the alpha strike was high.


Except for the fact that nullbots are going to do it regardless of whether or not Exhumers have more tank added or not.

Also, from my understanding, nullbots are programmed to warp to safe spot (usually a fortified POS) whenever a non-blue enters the system. So the tank is a moot point.

(This is not to suggest that you can stop an entire Alliance from botting simply by parking a few cloaky alts in the bot-systems.. no sir no sir... Blink )

Quote:
Miners should be aligned to station always, and be at least 50% impulse; they'll be gone before they need a tank if they stay aware using D-scan, or even just by looking around.


And what happens when you get out of range of your mining lazers?

And BTW, unless you're in nullsec, D-scanner to protect miners from ganking is pretty much useless.

Quote:
Instead of having everyone cater to the miners, and make life easier for them, make ganking more rewarding (Higher probability of items being dropped from destroyed ships?) but more dangerous. If the miners suck ass, and just mine AFK, it's their own damn fault for being brain-dead.


Except for the fact that no one caters to miners, and in fact pirates and griefers feel entitled to attack miners.

Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships!
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