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LOGI Ganking in Inursions
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Elho Prime
Air America YO
#1 - 2011-10-28 14:13:17 UTC
I am trying to understand the game mechaninc behind this. I was LFF in an incurion and got invited to a fleet. First hint is that it was another Basi that invited me. We warp out to planet and lock each the up. The second i begin repping him a ship warps in and them suddenly turns red. I did not reveive a warning that the Basi was at war. I suspcted this was a trick but was counting on the warning that the Basi was in a War to clue me in. I just dont understand what happened here.

I did fail to mention that about 20 minutes before this event I was invited to another fleet and again the BAsi and I started locking and repping. I did revieve a War Dec warning on this basi and accepted it. I then got nervous and left the fleet and hid where the aggression timer could time out. What happend after that is in the previosu paragrahp except i did let the agression timer runout before I engaged.

This has become a hting and lots of basi's are going down.


This was all in High Sec
Goose99
#2 - 2011-10-28 15:36:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Goose99
Elho Prime wrote:
I am trying to understand the game mechaninc behind this. I was LFF in an incurion and got invited to a fleet. First hint is that it was another Basi that invited me. We warp out to planet and lock each the up. The second i begin repping him a ship warps in and them suddenly turns red. I did not reveive a warning that the Basi was at war. I suspcted this was a trick but was counting on the warning that the Basi was in a War to clue me in. I just dont understand what happened here.

I did fail to mention that about 20 minutes before this event I was invited to another fleet and again the BAsi and I started locking and repping. I did revieve a War Dec warning on this basi and accepted it. I then got nervous and left the fleet and hid where the aggression timer could time out. What happend after that is in the previosu paragrahp except i did let the agression timer runout before I engaged.

This has become a hting and lots of basi's are going down.


This was all in High Sec


It's a trap. The logi flipped a can. Subscribe to "Public Incursion Blacklist" mailing list, and send toon name to TDF, in case it's not in the list already. In general, armor is safer than shield, due to TDF being more organized.
Elho Prime
Air America YO
#3 - 2011-10-28 16:38:30 UTC
AH TX, that explains eveything.

-Prime
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#4 - 2011-10-28 19:44:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Ammzi
Goose99 wrote:


It's a trap. The logi flipped a can. Subscribe to "Public Incursion Blacklist" mailing list, and send toon name to TDF, in case it's not in the list already. In general, armor is safer than shield, due to TDF being more organized.


*cough* bullshit.
Just admit it, armor is "safer" than shield only because armor is so paranoid that they'll ban you if you just sneeze the wrong way.

But yeah ... join the safer and moderated channels, BTL PUB, BTL armor, The Ditanian Fleet.
They've blocked most known griefers/gankers and similar accumulated over 10 months.

It won't block out alts and various NPC corps, so when you get fleeted. Check the fleet member's corporation.
If they are all members of the same corp or same alliance, you have a hint there. If they are members of some known griefer corp or merc, you have a hint there.
Last thing, check some of their killboards. Usually most of them have ton of logi ganks on killboards from other various incursions from the previous days P

Just use your logic, just like griefers are.
It's the cat and mouse game here, only thing is. The mouse is earning sooo much more isk <3
Goose99
#5 - 2011-10-29 01:26:58 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
Goose99 wrote:


It's a trap. The logi flipped a can. Subscribe to "Public Incursion Blacklist" mailing list, and send toon name to TDF, in case it's not in the list already. In general, armor is safer than shield, due to TDF being more organized.


*cough* bullshit.
Just admit it, armor is "safer" than shield only because armor is so paranoid that they'll ban you if you just sneeze the wrong way.

But yeah ... join the safer and moderated channels, BTL PUB, BTL armor, The Ditanian Fleet.
They've blocked most known griefers/gankers and similar accumulated over 10 months.

It won't block out alts and various NPC corps, so when you get fleeted. Check the fleet member's corporation.
If they are all members of the same corp or same alliance, you have a hint there. If they are members of some known griefer corp or merc, you have a hint there.
Last thing, check some of their killboards. Usually most of them have ton of logi ganks on killboards from other various incursions from the previous days P

Just use your logic, just like griefers are.
It's the cat and mouse game here, only thing is. The mouse is earning sooo much more isk <3


That's different way of putting the same thing. Yes, tdf is significantly safer than btl. Whether that's a good thing or not is up to the individual runner.
Mirak Nijoba
Gamers Corner
#6 - 2011-10-29 01:49:18 UTC
How exactly was this made possible and why would someone war dec for a logi kill?
Moustached Slimy Worm
Go Petition Blizzard
Safety.
#7 - 2011-10-29 03:00:18 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
Goose99 wrote:


It's a trap. The logi flipped a can. Subscribe to "Public Incursion Blacklist" mailing list, and send toon name to TDF, in case it's not in the list already. In general, armor is safer than shield, due to TDF being more organized.


*cough* bullshit.
Just admit it, armor is "safer" than shield only because armor is so paranoid that they'll ban you if you just sneeze the wrong way...

Just use your logic, just like griefers are.
It's the cat and mouse game here, only thing is. The mouse is earning sooo much more isk <3


The fact that you incursionbears view Eve as an ISK-grinding game (like how most people's real life jobs are), as opposed to a game (which means it's supposed to be fun) is what makes you a carebear who deserves to be griefed.

The war between BTL and Skunkworks is now mutual.

-Moustached Slimy Worm, Diplomat
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2011-10-29 09:05:17 UTC
Moustached Slimy Worm wrote:
The fact that you incursionbears view Eve as an ISK-grinding game (like how most people's real life jobs are), as opposed to a game (which means it's supposed to be fun) is what makes you a carebear who deserves to be griefed.


"you arent playing eve my way! rabble rabble rabble!"
Goose99
#9 - 2011-10-29 15:06:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Goose99
Mirak Nijoba wrote:
How exactly was this made possible and why would someone war dec for a logi kill?


It's possible because aggro timer from repping someone who canflipped within 15 minutes brings up no warning message. Repping war target does bring up warning message. Mechanics loophole. There was the more potent concord/gcc loophole when incursions were first introduced, but CCP filled it.
LumpySnake
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#10 - 2011-10-29 22:53:26 UTC
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Moustached Slimy Worm wrote:
The fact that you incursionbears view Eve as an ISK-grinding game (like how most people's real life jobs are), as opposed to a game (which means it's supposed to be fun) is what makes you a carebear who deserves to be griefed.


"you arent playing eve my way! rabble rabble rabble!"


Pretty much this, just because people do things which you find "Boring" doesnt make you any better than them. You can justify your actions all you want, bottom line is this kind of though process just means your no different than a bigot or racist. "You think different than me and like different things than i do, therfore you deserve to be treated poorly and forced to think like i do."

Sad really, i though this kinda **** ended decades ago.
Goose99
#11 - 2011-10-29 23:20:59 UTC
LumpySnake wrote:

Sad really, i though this kinda **** ended decades ago.


There are retards in Eve? Oh noez. Get it? Retards?Cool
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#12 - 2011-10-31 09:11:09 UTC
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Moustached Slimy Worm wrote:
The fact that you incursionbears view Eve as an ISK-grinding game (like how most people's real life jobs are), as opposed to a game (which means it's supposed to be fun) is what makes you a carebear who deserves to be griefed.


"you arent playing eve my way! rabble rabble rabble!"


yep, because nowadays hardcore PVPers have 30 billion ISK in their wallets and won't come risk a cheapass cruiser in case they get blacklisted from some homoerotic old man's mutual masturbation jerk circle AKA incursion channel. Whatever people need all this ISK for I'll never know, but I'm sure Dr Eyjo is tearing his hair out at this stupid ISK faucet.

Slimyworm for CSM.

~~ Localectomy Blog ~~
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2011-10-31 12:54:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Mfume Apocal
Trinkets friend wrote:
yep, because nowadays hardcore PVPers have 30 billion ISK in their wallets and won't come risk a cheapass cruiser in case they get blacklisted from some homoerotic old man's mutual ************ jerk circle AKA incursion channel. Whatever people need all this ISK for I'll never know, but I'm sure Dr Eyjo is tearing his hair out at this stupid ISK faucet


"rabble rabble rabble!"
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#14 - 2011-10-31 13:38:13 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
It's the cat and mouse game here, only thing is. The mouse is earning sooo much more isk <3


Only, I can bet anything the cat is having more fun in the end.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2011-10-31 16:18:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Mfume Apocal
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Only, I can bet anything the cat is having more fun in the end.


Personally, I find it more fun to get the proverbial "goodfight" rather than ganking clueless people but you don't see me making spergy madposts about it, unlike your boy trinkets.
Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2011-10-31 16:32:09 UTC
LumpySnake wrote:
Sad really, i though this kinda **** ended decades ago.


Welcome to the intarwebz, where every day tools with zero real ballz can hide behind anonymity of posting boards and games...
JackStraw56
Run Like an Antelope
#17 - 2011-10-31 19:14:05 UTC  |  Edited by: JackStraw56
There should be a warning if you try to rep someone who flipped a can, but there is not, and this is how you got ganked. Gotta be careful.

The argument that TDF is safer than BTL...don't really buy it. BTL is larger, there will be more incidents due to pure numbers.
So'rren
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2011-11-01 20:14:33 UTC
JackStraw56 wrote:
There should be a warning if you try to rep someone who flipped a can, but there is not, and this is how you got ganked. Gotta be careful.

The argument that TDF is safer than BTL...don't really buy it. BTL is larger, there will be more incidents due to pure numbers.


Not to mention the questionable personalities of some of the higher ups in TDF, especially carmelos53, the "witch hunt" bannings that frequently get the wrong party, and general state of paranoia make being in TDF a rather negative experience.
Nimrod Nemesis
Doomheim
#19 - 2011-11-01 20:28:39 UTC
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Only, I can bet anything the cat is having more fun in the end.


Personally, I find it more fun to get the proverbial "goodfight" rather than ganking clueless people but you don't see me making spergy madposts about it, unlike your boy trinkets.


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Gankbears- 0
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#20 - 2011-11-01 20:39:42 UTC
I was curious whether it was Skunkworks who got you or if other groups had joined the fun, and I found that you don't have a loss posted. That means you used an alt. Spoils the fun :(

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
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