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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#101 - 2013-04-23 19:07:29 UTC
So -- I'm not really a great fan of the DDs or BCs, but I do love the pirate ships, and so I figured I'd invest the training time just in preparation for when they release pirate versions of those. My guess is that CCP'll have a lot of people sitting around with universal BC5 and DD5 who'll be thrilled by T2 and pirate versions of those ships-- so here's to hoping... ;)

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#102 - 2013-04-23 19:07:52 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Bah! Too slow.

True. I R fail.
Sad

BUT... I've got BC and Dessy to V on three alts. Will have on five by the time the changes come. By the OP's premise, I win the lottery!
Lol

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NickyYo
modro
The Initiative.
#103 - 2013-04-23 19:16:47 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Hi everyone.
Probably my post will bring a lot of criticism but I want to make a point.
Due to ship skills revamp people who train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V are going to get around 6mil SP. That is fine.
But players who dont do that will get nothing.

I propose that players who decided not to train the mentioned skill get partial recompensation (say 30% of the max possible skills). For example, if someone gets zero additional SP from summer expansion he qualifies for 6x0.3 = 2m free SP to allocate.
If the player gets 2m SP from summer expansion he qualifies for (6-2)x0.3 = 1,3m free SP to allocate etc.

Some of u will object because we all knew that in advance and could train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V. BUT while for older players 20-30 days of training is nothing newer players cant afford to spend so much time on 1-2 skills. It gives unfair advantage to older players and players who already have Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V over newer player.

That's why I propose recompensation.


So let me get this right -

You want a reward for failing to plan ahead for a change that has been announced for at least 6 - 9 months.

How about No? Does No work for you?


Ok, smart ass.

Lets see if i get this right -

A customer would like their purchase to be transfered to a new service as the old one has become obsolete. When you view eve not as real life but as a product you pay for then the ops question is severely valid sir.

- NickyYo.

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De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#104 - 2013-04-23 19:18:20 UTC
NickyYo wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Hi everyone.
Probably my post will bring a lot of criticism but I want to make a point.
Due to ship skills revamp people who train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V are going to get around 6mil SP. That is fine.
But players who dont do that will get nothing.

I propose that players who decided not to train the mentioned skill get partial recompensation (say 30% of the max possible skills). For example, if someone gets zero additional SP from summer expansion he qualifies for 6x0.3 = 2m free SP to allocate.
If the player gets 2m SP from summer expansion he qualifies for (6-2)x0.3 = 1,3m free SP to allocate etc.

Some of u will object because we all knew that in advance and could train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V. BUT while for older players 20-30 days of training is nothing newer players cant afford to spend so much time on 1-2 skills. It gives unfair advantage to older players and players who already have Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V over newer player.

That's why I propose recompensation.


So let me get this right -

You want a reward for failing to plan ahead for a change that has been announced for at least 6 - 9 months.

How about No? Does No work for you?


Ok, smart ass.

Lets see if i get this right -

A customer would like their purchase to be transfered to a new service as the old one has become obsolete. When you view eve not as real life but as a product you pay for then the ops question is severely valid sir.

- NickyYo.


The service that is being paid for isn't changing at all. Then again I am not sure why I expected a NickyYo post to make sense.

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JamesCLK
#105 - 2013-04-23 19:20:38 UTC
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#106 - 2013-04-23 19:21:03 UTC
NickyYo wrote:
Ok, smart ass.

Lets see if i get this right -

A customer would like their purchase to be transfered to a new service as the old one has become obsolete.
You didn't get it right.
Black Cadelanne
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#107 - 2013-04-23 19:25:12 UTC
This is exactly the attitude of today's society. Do nothing and get it all
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#108 - 2013-04-23 19:27:30 UTC
Black Cadelanne wrote:
This is exactly the attitude of today's society. Do nothing and get it all


It definitely seems to be the attitude of the newer crop of players.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Royal Executioner Shazih
Doomheim
#109 - 2013-04-23 19:29:20 UTC
Black Cadelanne wrote:
This is exactly the attitude of today's society. Do nothing and get it all


I'm not supposed to do anything. I pay for this game as everyone else. But I see that I'm put into disadvantageous position over older players by CCP change (concerning combat ships) and I don't like. All posts like 'deal with it' are not valid here. I want official CCP response.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#110 - 2013-04-23 19:32:58 UTC  |  Edited by: De'Veldrin
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
I want official CCP response.


CCP has already given their official response on several occasions and in several other threadnaughts. Since that was all you wanted, we can close this now, right?

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#111 - 2013-04-23 19:33:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
I'm not supposed to do anything.
You are supposed to accumulate your SP like everyone else. Instead, you're asking for handouts.

Quote:
But I see that I'm put into disadvantageous position over older players by CCP change (concerning combat ships)
Only in the sense of “you're seeing things” = “you're hallucinating”.
You'll be able to fly the exact same combat ships after the patch as you could before it.
They'll be able to fly the exact same combat ships after the patch as they could before it.

Change in position: none.

Quote:
All posts like 'deal with it' are not valid here.
Oh? Why not?

Quote:
I want official CCP response.
The official CCP response is “deal with it”, and has been since… oh… February 2012 or so. Since you're not losing anything, you're not getting anything. After all, why should you?
Black Cadelanne
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2013-04-23 19:35:50 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Black Cadelanne wrote:
This is exactly the attitude of today's society. Do nothing and get it all


I'm not supposed to do anything. I pay for this game as everyone else. But I see that I'm put into disadvantageous position over older players by CCP change (concerning combat ships) and I don't like. All posts like 'deal with it' are not valid here. I want official CCP response.



and i wanna peace on earth but ....you know. dosent work. i would also a lot of money whitout work but....you know....ahhh nevermind...thats senseless.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#113 - 2013-04-23 19:36:03 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:

I want official CCP response.

For this..?!
Roll

'Want' in one hand and poop in the other. See which one fills up first.
Your whinging sense of self-entitlement is jawdropping.


Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
All posts like 'deal with it' are not valid here.

So are all self-entitled "gimmee gimmee gimmeee things I didn't earn" posts. You knew coming into the thread you were going to get hammered. You admitted it in almost your very first words in this thread. Knowing that, you have the temerity to complain that you've recieved precisely what you predicted..? !
Words fail.

I say again: This is EVE. EVE is harsh. HTFU or GTFO.

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Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#114 - 2013-04-23 19:41:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Georgina Parmala
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
I'm not supposed to do anything. I pay for this game as everyone else. But I see that I'm put into disadvantageous position over older players by CCP change (concerning combat ships) and I don't like.

I see. So you don't like the fact it will take you well over a month LESS time to train into a Dreadnaught then everyone else who already flies one?

You're right. That's not fair. But it's ok, they just deal with it. Like we deal with having to butcher our skill queues or give up on cross training battlecruisers.

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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#115 - 2013-04-23 19:47:58 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:

I'm not supposed to do anything. I pay for this game as everyone else. But I see that I'm put into disadvantageous position over older players by CCP change (concerning combat ships) and I don't like. All posts like 'deal with it' are not valid here. I want official CCP response.


The ONLY players who will be at a disadvantage are the players who create new characters and simply do not have enough time to complete the Frigs to 4, desis to 5, cruisers to 3 and BC to 5.

Everyone else has been repeated warned. Dev blogs were made long ago detailing EXACTLY what you needed to get the free stuff...thats right..THEY TOLD YOU WHAT YOU NEEDED TO DO TO GET FREE SP!!!!

For minimal effort..MINIMAL EFFORT, you too could have partaken in the glorious SP rain which ALL the rest of us will be showering in. You chose to ignore pretty much everything that was said about this change for a year, and now want to also partake in our FREE SP SHOWER?!?! NO.

Actions..or in OPs case INACTIONS have consequences. In this case, the consequence is NO FREE SP FOR YOU. Please feel free to read that in the soup nazi voice, as that is the spirit in which it was intended. Also, since that voice is already preloaded into your minds..NO REMAP FOR YOU.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Manny Moons
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#116 - 2013-04-23 19:49:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Manny Moons
OP's desire to level the playing field between new players and old is commendable, but does not go far enough. Anyone who did not start playing EVE on day 1 is currently penalized by a lack of SP. Therefore, I propose each player receive a skill point credit equal to the difference between their current total, and the total of the highest SP player in the game. Further, since players without implants will continue to lag behind, I propose their SP balance be adjusted monthly to compensate. Also, since older players have had the opportunity to periodically remap their attributes, newer players should be granted additional remaps based on how long they waited to start playing EVE. And since applying so many remaps is bound to be a source of confusion for newer players, it should be possible to adjust past remaps retro-actively to optimize the training they didn't have the opportunity to do.

Once this SP scandal has been rectified, we can then address the relative wealth discrepancy between newer and older players, and redistribute assets accordingly.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#117 - 2013-04-23 19:52:24 UTC
Manny Moons wrote:
Once this SP scandal has been rectified, we can then address the relative wealth discrepancy between newer and older players, and redistribute assets accordingly.

The Marxism is strong with this one... ShockedLol

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Royal Executioner Shazih
Doomheim
#118 - 2013-04-23 19:57:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Royal Executioner Shazih
silens vesica wrote:
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:

I want official CCP response.

For this..?!
Roll

'Want' in one hand and poop in the other. See which one fills up first.
Your whinging sense of self-entitlement is jawdropping.


Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
All posts like 'deal with it' are not valid here.

So are all self-entitled "gimmee gimmee gimmeee things I didn't earn" posts. You knew coming into the thread you were going to get hammered. You admitted it in almost your very first words in this thread. Knowing that, you have the temerity to complain that you've recieved precisely what you predicted..? !
Words fail.

I say again: This is EVE. EVE is harsh. HTFU or GTFO.


The only reason I expected criticism is that I already know that EVE society is corrupted. But it does not make my post invalid in any way. The only reason players stand against me is their detrimental way of thinking (if i suffered, every1 should suffer).
Concerning the posts that say like 'it took me XX days to train to capital ships and u only need xx days doesn't make any sense because u already enjoyed piloting dreadnought for XX days while I haven't.
FourierTransformer
#119 - 2013-04-23 20:02:05 UTC
Tl; dr: I'm new and feel like I should get free sp.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#120 - 2013-04-23 20:02:26 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
The only reason I expected criticism is that I already know that EVE society is corrupted.
Oh? In what way?

Quote:
But it does not make my post invalid in any way.
True. What makes your post invalid is you complete lack of reasoning for why you should get a bunch of SP for no particular reason.

Quote:
The only reason players stand against me is their detrimental way of thinking (if i suffered, every1 should suffer).
Eh, no. There are plenty of reason to stand against your idea that you should be “compensated” for nothing. One of them is that you're asking to be compensated for nothing. Another is that you're already getting a much more optimise skill tree, so you have nothing to complain about. Yet another is that you have fundamentally misunderstood what the change and skill reimbursement is all about or how it works.

None of it is about how you have to “suffer” — largely because you are the only one that think it's in any way related to suffering and punishment.