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Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#101 - 2013-04-20 12:57:37 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Pax Thar wrote:
All this crying from the Caldari about how good it was and how the gals and mins should have just let it stay that way.

This is FW, not null. You want staged fights and no sov battles cause it messes up your daily routine, go live in the big blue donut. Otherwise, suck it up and fight the war, one battle at a time.

War involves logistics, not just massing ships into two systems. Strategy, numbers, allies, mercs, tactics, diplomacy... it what makes eve, eve. Without it we might as well just be playing a flight sim.


all you need is farmers. You have to take more plexes than enemy so farmers are best tool for basic plexing. Then you need some pvp guys to keep enemy pvpers busy on some system and finally some random fleet to shoot bunkers.

Sad thing is that CCP managed to make system where that basic farming is good business only on one side who can cross militia plex.


I've said my piece in threads long ago.

The only change to FW which will save it from a slow meaningless death will be reducing cross-plexing LP payouts to 25% or 50% (ie T1 or worse than T1). The minmatar farm machine will continue to roll on so long as this horribly broken mechanic CCP's inept game designers introduced remains.
ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#102 - 2013-04-20 13:50:10 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
cearain wrote:
I think about 1-2 times a year you can expect to see a big push for a system. But


again your wrong this has happened multiple times in our warzone and will happen again real soon just because the minnie / amarr warzone is stale dont tar ours with the same brush thats just ignorent

XG wrote:
Bottom line is that the players have decided that there needed to be something more to the occupancy war than simply turning a blue system green on a map. CCP listened, and station lockouts were implemented.


Read that again cearain it doesnt say we asked for lockouts specifically we just wanted meaning and a new conflict driver to occupancy and lockouts is what ccp came up with

BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
Pax Thar
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#103 - 2013-04-20 15:26:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Pax Thar
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
Pax Thar wrote:
All this crying from the Caldari about how good it was and how the gals and mins should have just let it stay that way.

This is FW, not null. You want staged fights and no sov battles cause it messes up your daily routine, go live in the big blue donut. Otherwise, suck it up and fight the war, one battle at a time.

War involves logistics, not just massing ships into two systems. Strategy, numbers, allies, mercs, tactics, diplomacy... it what makes eve, eve. Without it we might as well just be playing a flight sim.


all you need is farmers. You have to take more plexes than enemy so farmers are best tool for basic plexing. Then you need some pvp guys to keep enemy pvpers busy on some system and finally some random fleet to shoot bunkers.

Sad thing is that CCP managed to make system where that basic farming is good business only on one side who can cross militia plex.


I've said my piece in threads long ago.

The only change to FW which will save it from a slow meaningless death will be reducing cross-plexing LP payouts to 25% or 50% (ie T1 or worse than T1). The minmatar farm machine will continue to roll on so long as this horribly broken mechanic CCP's inept game designers introduced remains.



I don't see a lot of solo plexing going on. With the amarr pushed into only a few systems, solo plexing is rather difficult. The plexing I see going on, is fleets looking for fights, getting blue balled and sitting in plexes. You want us out... remove us, simple. Or just keep whining and forum warrioring. FW PvP is pretty damn active.

You want to nerf cross militia plexing? Why not just ask Amarr for help, or is that to much work involved to actually set up diplo channels. Instead of whining you guys need to find in game solutions. The better organized side is stomping your butts, learn from it and organize instead of trying to play the same game you have been. Adapt or die.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#104 - 2013-04-20 15:51:03 UTC
Pax Thar wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
Pax Thar wrote:
All this crying from the Caldari about how good it was and how the gals and mins should have just let it stay that way.

This is FW, not null. You want staged fights and no sov battles cause it messes up your daily routine, go live in the big blue donut. Otherwise, suck it up and fight the war, one battle at a time.

War involves logistics, not just massing ships into two systems. Strategy, numbers, allies, mercs, tactics, diplomacy... it what makes eve, eve. Without it we might as well just be playing a flight sim.


all you need is farmers. You have to take more plexes than enemy so farmers are best tool for basic plexing. Then you need some pvp guys to keep enemy pvpers busy on some system and finally some random fleet to shoot bunkers.

Sad thing is that CCP managed to make system where that basic farming is good business only on one side who can cross militia plex.


I've said my piece in threads long ago.

The only change to FW which will save it from a slow meaningless death will be reducing cross-plexing LP payouts to 25% or 50% (ie T1 or worse than T1). The minmatar farm machine will continue to roll on so long as this horribly broken mechanic CCP's inept game designers introduced remains.



I don't see a lot of solo plexing going on. With the amarr pushed into only a few systems, solo plexing is rather difficult. The plexing I see going on, is fleets looking for fights, getting blue balled and sitting in plexes. You want us out... remove us, simple. Or just keep whining and forum warrioring. FW PvP is pretty damn active.

You want to nerf cross militia plexing? Why not just ask Amarr for help, or is that to much work involved to actually set up diplo channels. Instead of whining you guys need to find in game solutions. The better organized side is stomping your butts, learn from it and organize instead of trying to play the same game you have been. Adapt or die.


It has nothing to do with organization, it is about fact that there is no reason to take systems so no one is going to make such organization. Fact that cross militia plex farming just fuckups both FW areas so to win you should win both areas at same time and that is too much asked for. Game mechanic creates wall to healthy warfare.

People are actually quite happy now, fun fights on couple systems, easy isk farming on minmatar militia with alts and basing out of FW lowsec gives stress free game experience.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#105 - 2013-04-20 19:50:54 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
I think we do have more Militia members overall but it seems like we have less active participants.
So many sit in high sec doing the same crap they did before joining fw. (run lev4's.) I don't know why they even bother to join FW tbh.


Hmm.....juicy FW mission runners in highsec doing L4s. I think we need to create an OP for this GalMil.
Cory Braum
Dark Circle Enforcement
#106 - 2013-04-22 21:14:45 UTC
Mistake.......... Nenn Offensive went all to plan. we moved in scared the poop out of the gallenta and then all got paid Huge sums of isk to leave. One month of plexing and decent pvp, for enough isk to pay for our account's for a year seems like a good trade to me.

i think once we burn through our mountain's of isk we will be back for some more.
ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#107 - 2013-04-22 23:03:06 UTC
Cory Braum wrote:
Mistake.......... Nenn Offensive went all to plan. we moved in scared the poop out of the gallenta and then all got paid Huge sums of isk to leave. One month of plexing and decent pvp, for enough isk to pay for our account's for a year seems like a good trade to me.

i think once we burn through our mountain's of isk we will be back for some more.



Plexes shared between 10-15 peeps maybe more and not even getting the system that contested hahaha ya piles of isk .....

Talk B0llox much?

BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#108 - 2013-04-23 01:21:19 UTC
Cearain wrote:


You suggest players wanted station lockouts and ccp simply gave them what they asked? Please link the thread where the players were all asking for station lockouts before ccp did this. Again, as with most of what you post, no actual fact data will ever be found.




https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=467459#post467459

Here is one from 2011.

See suggestion 2.

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Cory Braum
Dark Circle Enforcement
#109 - 2013-04-23 02:40:10 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
Cory Braum wrote:
Mistake.......... Nenn Offensive went all to plan. we moved in scared the poop out of the gallenta and then all got paid Huge sums of isk to leave. One month of plexing and decent pvp, for enough isk to pay for our account's for a year seems like a good trade to me.

i think once we burn through our mountain's of isk we will be back for some more.



Plexes shared between 10-15 peeps maybe more and not even getting the system that contested hahaha ya piles of isk .....

Talk B0llox much?


Not lp Isk transferred from un named sources in the gallenta leadership. We where paid to leave and couldnt refuse the offer.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#110 - 2013-04-23 03:15:02 UTC
I thought the payment was secret?

Oh well. I guess it's public knowledge now.

https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#111 - 2013-04-23 04:10:00 UTC
Cory Braum wrote:


Not lp Isk transferred from un named sources in the gallenta leadership. We where paid to leave and couldnt refuse the offer.



IbanezLaney wrote:
I thought the payment was secret?

Oh well. I guess it's public knowledge now.



It was until you spoke up. That was written in code.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#112 - 2013-04-23 04:36:30 UTC
Hold on a minute!!

Where' my bloody isk payment!!

I was promised isk to stop coming to Nen and clutering up your space with my wrecks?!

C'mon pay up filthy frogs!!

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#113 - 2013-04-23 04:42:13 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
Hold on a minute!!

Where' my bloody isk payment!!

I was promised isk to stop coming to Nen and clutering up your space with my wrecks?!

C'mon pay up filthy frogs!!




Yeah about that.....
They kinda ended up using those wrecks to de-cloak other Caldari.



SPAI!!!!!!!!

https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#114 - 2013-04-23 11:15:45 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
Cory Braum wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
Cory Braum wrote:
Mistake.......... Nenn Offensive went all to plan. we moved in scared the poop out of the gallenta and then all got paid Huge sums of isk to leave. One month of plexing and decent pvp, for enough isk to pay for our account's for a year seems like a good trade to me.

i think once we burn through our mountain's of isk we will be back for some more.



Plexes shared between 10-15 peeps maybe more and not even getting the system that contested hahaha ya piles of isk .....

Talk B0llox much?


Not lp Isk transferred from un named sources in the gallenta leadership. We where paid to leave and couldnt refuse the offer.



Really? now if this was the otherway round gallente being payed by squids to leave it would be belivable but seeing as gal mill can crush caldari scrub forces on a whim makes it so unbelivable

BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#115 - 2013-04-23 13:41:02 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
cearain wrote:
I think about 1-2 times a year you can expect to see a big push for a system. But


again your wrong this has happened multiple times in our warzone and will happen again real soon just because the minnie / amarr warzone is stale dont tar ours with the same brush thats just ignorent



Going off of what xg wrote there were 3 big sov fights over the last year in caldari gallente space. I look at the trend. When inferno hit (even beofre it hit) there was a big interest in fighting the sov war. Probably bigger than anytime in faction war. Every system taken was cheered/argued about. Then over time this sort of went away. The death nell to concern was when ccp ended cashouts. It drastically reduced the consequences to holding larger amounts of space due to taxes and took away incentives for the underdog to fight back. It became official that no one ever had to care 90% of the war zone.

I expect the concern about fw sov to continue to drop. 1-2 big fights/front a year as the interest in the sov war game continues to wane. I may be wrong but you will have to wait to declare that.

ALUCARD 1208 wrote:

XG wrote:
Bottom line is that the players have decided that there needed to be something more to the occupancy war than simply turning a blue system green on a map. CCP listened, and station lockouts were implemented.


Read that again cearain it doesnt say we asked for lockouts specifically we just wanted meaning and a new conflict driver to occupancy and lockouts is what ccp came up with



Station lockouts were rejected several times by fw players before inferno. It would come up often because uncreative people would look at null sec and say "hey lets do what null sec does, and lock people out of stations!" The idea was repeatedly rejected. So to suggest that ccp "listened" to the players by implementing exactly what players said they didn't want is at best misleading.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#116 - 2013-04-23 14:08:59 UTC
Quote:
I expect the concern about fw sov to continue to drop. 1-2 big fights/front a year as the interest in the sov war game continues to wane.
People often lose interest in a feature when they lose. What'cha gonna do?
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#117 - 2013-04-23 14:16:28 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
Cory Braum wrote:

Not lp Isk transferred from un named sources in the gallenta leadership. We where paid to leave and couldnt refuse the offer.
Really? now if this was the otherway round gallente being payed by squids to leave it would be belivable but seeing as gal mill can crush caldari scrub forces on a whim makes it so unbelivable

I told Cory to keep this thing under wraps! Dude! How could you?!
ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#118 - 2013-04-23 22:16:37 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
Cearain wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
cearain wrote:
I think about 1-2 times a year you can expect to see a big push for a system. But


again your wrong this has happened multiple times in our warzone and will happen again real soon just because the minnie / amarr warzone is stale dont tar ours with the same brush thats just ignorent



Going off of what xg wrote there were 3 big sov fights over the last year in caldari gallente space. I look at the trend. When inferno hit (even beofre it hit) there was a big interest in fighting the sov war. Probably bigger than anytime in faction war. Every system taken was cheered/argued about. Then over time this sort of went away. The death nell to concern was when ccp ended cashouts. It drastically reduced the consequences to holding larger amounts of space due to taxes and took away incentives for the underdog to fight back. It became official that no one ever had to care 90% of the war zone.

I expect the concern about fw sov to continue to drop. 1-2 big fights/front a year as the interest in the sov war game continues to wane. I may be wrong but you will have to wait to declare that.

ALUCARD 1208 wrote:

XG wrote:
Bottom line is that the players have decided that there needed to be something more to the occupancy war than simply turning a blue system green on a map. CCP listened, and station lockouts were implemented.


Read that again cearain it doesnt say we asked for lockouts specifically we just wanted meaning and a new conflict driver to occupancy and lockouts is what ccp came up with



Station lockouts were rejected several times by fw players before inferno. It would come up often because uncreative people would look at null sec and say "hey lets do what null sec does, and lock people out of stations!" The idea was repeatedly rejected. So to suggest that ccp "listened" to the players by implementing exactly what players said they didn't want is at best misleading.



Are u batshit crazy theres been more than that since january and during the time of t5 spikes there was alot then too hahah please if ur going to comment on something atleast play what ur commenting on....


I really never said they gave us exactly what we wanted but they did give us something with meaning and a conflict driver.... and to say the underdog has no incentive to fight back atm amarr was on there arse 99% of the time during t5 spikes just the same as they are now so nothing has changed in that warzone...

BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
Maximus Hashur
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#119 - 2013-04-24 04:26:51 UTC
Seraph Castillon wrote:
Most of you need to realise that others do not have to validate your way of playing


Holy Sh!t. This 100%

So we choose a side and shoot whoever is flashy orange. I could personally care less what the faction name is. Like Glitch I'm in it for the fight and had a lot of fun around Nenn/Enaluri.

Now it's slow again around there so you know what I did? Went to Kamela area basing out of Huola. Battles rage there.

There are thousands of systems in this game. Don't box yourself into a "Home"

Looked up...saw this F***ING clown dropping like a rock.  Woke up in Vylade wondering what just happened!!!
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#120 - 2013-04-24 04:59:01 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
Cory Braum wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
Cory Braum wrote:
Mistake.......... Nenn Offensive went all to plan. we moved in scared the poop out of the gallenta and then all got paid Huge sums of isk to leave. One month of plexing and decent pvp, for enough isk to pay for our account's for a year seems like a good trade to me.

i think once we burn through our mountain's of isk we will be back for some more.



Plexes shared between 10-15 peeps maybe more and not even getting the system that contested hahaha ya piles of isk .....

Talk B0llox much?


Not lp Isk transferred from un named sources in the gallenta leadership. We where paid to leave and couldnt refuse the offer.



Really? now if this was the otherway round gallente being payed by squids to leave it would be belivable but seeing as gal mill can crush caldari scrub forces on a whim makes it so unbelivable




Q. Why did a system that we always d-plexed stop being d-plexed?

A. One of your guys got nervous and threw some isk around. (A lot of isk tbh - I didn't think he would be able to cover the cost but I was very wrong on that)



I got a new Chimera that weekend with the 'payoff' :) ty froggies it's very shiny.


We even all posted similar posts in the next few days in accordance with the deal to keep up appearances.
'Oh the frogs did themselves out of soo many fights blah blah....'




So you need to work out who you trust at the moment that you shouldn't trust.
Or for 6 Billion isk - I will tell you.

https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney