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Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#1 - 2013-04-22 10:25:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Egravant Alduin
Ok guys since I 'll finish my tech 2 missiles and then i don't know what to train I'm thinking training for getting a pos.

Questions:

What POS I need to get first to start some invention since i see there are many options?

I read that I must search for moons that have only one control tower.One moon one control tower?What are control towers for?I went to a system yesterday that had some moons and some laboratories.Don't understand how this works

How i find a moon that i can install a laboratory?

I must have a high standing with current corp that owns the moon to install a laboratory correct?

Can i make a solo corp to install a laboratory ?

What s the run cost of a laboratory per month?

Can I have profit from tech 2 invention in a laboratory i own?

Are 0.5 systems safe?

How I know how many laboratories are installed in a moon and if I can install my laboratory there?

Thank you

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Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#2 - 2013-04-22 11:05:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Job Valador
You could use the wonderful tool known as google but ill tell you some things anyway about being a POS owner that is specifically geared for invention and BPO research.

1. you need too be in a player made corp.

2. The tower is the command center for your POS. It controls everything within its shield and also determines what moduals such as labs and guns you can anchor on it through the limitations of powergrid and CPU such as it is on ships.

3. Since you specifically want a research station and you want it in high sec this is the set up of mods and tower you will need that I find useful. Caldari small control tower, 1 advanced lab, 2 mobile labs. Or two adv and one mobile, it all depends if you want too heavily research or heavily invent. You may want to invest in either an alt or two that are geared for research or have friends in your corp too help you research as one toon CANNOT fill all three labs with orders.

4. This is the part that tells you what you need to anchor it. Find a completely empty moon. there can be no tower there. pick an empire you want to anchor your tower in and grind a faction standing with them too the corresponding sec level of the system you are in (I.E. standing with amarr 5.1 to anchor a station in a 0.5 system 6.1 for a 0.6) up to a 0.7 system as you cannot anchor towers in a 0.8 and up. You must have not only fuel for the tower but you must also have corresponding starbase charters for the empire you are in too put in your fuel bay (amarr starbase charters for instance) you need one charter per hour cycle.

5. Per month costs... well for me it costs nothing in a sense since I make my own fuel but it being a small tower I dont see the costs going over 60-80 mill a month if you buy the fuel but I don't want to really do the math. However do not forget the costs of data cores and data decriptors which will jack up your initial costs (as decriptors never break) and your monthly costs (as data cores break in invention). Plus BP's, they are very expensive with bigger items.

6. As for invention being profitable? No not really. Current game mechanics bring all t2 bpc too a -4me and -4 pe and t2 bpo holders make prices go down really gimping into profits. the only reason I do it is because I am a vain bastard and feel like the only ships good enough for me too fly are ones I build myself -_-

If you have any more questions ill be following your thread so I can answer them

"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement."

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#3 - 2013-04-22 11:10:39 UTC
Job Valador wrote:
6. As for invention being profitable? No not really. Current game mechanics bring all t2 bpc too a -4me and -4 pe really gimping into profits. the only reason I do it is because I am a vain bastard and feel like the only ships good enough for me too fly are ones I build myself -_-


Well played, sir. You got a snort and a chuckle out of me.

1. Decryptors change the ME/PE of the resulting BPC
2. Invention is ludicrously profitable*.


*One Example, not neccessarily a great one, and YMMV, Light Neutron Blasters are running a 100% markup for 200k ISK/hr/line for pessimistic (read: Buy raw materials from sell orders, sell finished goods to buy orders) assumptions.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#4 - 2013-04-22 11:18:11 UTC
whoops, I did say decryptors didn't I? didn't mean those wonderful little tools I apologize. What I meant too say were those things on the market that cost about 50 mill a pop for the ship tier but the name escapes me as it is the end of my shift, im tired and want to go home :/

"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement."

Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#5 - 2013-04-22 11:49:00 UTC
Ok you were very helpful.So i ll waste one month for skills and have no profit?Probably won't start training for it then.

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Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#6 - 2013-04-22 11:58:57 UTC
Ruby is right though, you can make profit with many t2 items. I am just lazy and make for personal use as I have other avenues of isk making. With the right mathz, prep and luck I am sure you could make a good profit. I just find the effort for me to do just that too be too much for my simple way of living in New Eden.

"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement."

Velicitia
XS Tech
#7 - 2013-04-22 13:55:10 UTC
1. anything will work (Amarr, Caldari, Minmatar, Gallente). Some are just better than others at the task.

2. One Control Tower per moon. To find a moon, go to a system, start at the top moon (Planets; planet 1, moon 1) and fly to each one til you find an available moon. OR just blow up someone's already-anchored tower.

3. You first have to anchor the control tower, then you can anchor labs. This goes back to "needing an empty moon first" though.

4. For hisec, your corporation must have a minimum of 5.01 standing with the faction owning the system (Minmatar, Amarr, Caldari, Gallente). Note that corp -> faction standings are based off the non-modified standings, so if you have (for example) something like "Minmatar Republic -- 5.5 (Connections 4 raises from 4.99)", you don't have high enough standings to anchor a tower, as the corporate standings are based off the non-modified 4.99.

5. yes, though you should probably sit in a player corp first, get the gist of eve corp mechanics before you go off on your own and lose stuff because you didn't know how it worked.

6. depends on the fuel costs for the tower. IIRC it's roughly 400m per month for a lg tower (200m for mid, and 100m for sm). Note that you can throw multiple labs into a tower (provided you have enough PG/CPU).

7. maybe. you have to do your homework and invent/make the right stuff.

8. no. nowhere in eve is truely safe.

9. If there's a control tower anchored, you cannot add anything. If the moon's empty, then you can anchor your own control tower, and fit as many labs as CPU and PG allow.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Haulie Berry
#8 - 2013-04-22 14:16:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
RubyPorto wrote:


*One Example, not neccessarily a great one, and YMMV, Light Neutron Blasters are running a 100% markup for 200k ISK/hr/line for pessimistic (read: Buy raw materials from sell orders, sell finished goods to buy orders) assumptions.



SHHHHHHHH!

But seriously, this was actually up to a pretty ludicrous level at the height of Burn Jita - buy orders in Jita were around 1.3 million.

Invention can be ridiculously good money, but it is a lot of work (mostly owing to a sloppy UI) compared to other industry. I can generally get better returns (absolute value wise, not percentage-wise) with less effort, doing T3.


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2. One Control Tower per moon. To find a moon, go to a system, start at the top moon (Planets; planet 1, moon 1) and fly to each one til you find an available moon. OR just blow up someone's already-anchored tower.


I have a custom overview set that I use for finding empty moons. The only things in it are moons and towers. Then I can just do a dscan, and if there are more moons than towers, I have an empty moon in range. It's not hard to figure out which one it is, after that, especially with the dscan camera tracking.
Grigori Annunaki
#9 - 2013-04-22 17:20:31 UTC
Agreed. The ISK/effort on T2 manufacturing is not that great. Per character, it takes 2-4 minutes and a good hundred clicks to set up all the jobs that keep the fires lit. Once you add in shuttling goods from buy orders and to markets, it will quickly consume all your play time. That said, it does bring in the ISK to finance your other pursuits. You just need to decide how much tedium you can handle.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-04-22 17:46:12 UTC
Job Valador wrote:
whoops, I did say decryptors didn't I? didn't mean those wonderful little tools I apologize. What I meant too say were those things on the market that cost about 50 mill a pop for the ship tier but the name escapes me as it is the end of my shift, im tired and want to go home :/


You mean the data interfaces? Ship ones cost around 50 million, you need one only, they aren't used up or consumed in any way.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#11 - 2013-04-22 19:18:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Velicitia wrote:
2. One Control Tower per moon. To find a moon, go to a system, start at the top moon (Planets; planet 1, moon 1) and fly to each one til you find an available moon. OR just blow up someone's already-anchored tower.

Erm... no.

1. Setup your overview so all you can see are planets, moons, and control towers.

2. Use a fast warping ship, like a shuttle.

3. Fly to planet 1.

4. Look at your overview. Note the distance of the last moon on the planet, and the distance of the next moon/planet beyond that.

5. Set your direction scan to scan range (1 au = 150,000,000 km) so that you can scan all moons on the planet plus at least 10,000 km (doesn't have to be exact, more is better, just a very rough ballpark figure). Example: if the next moon/planet for a different planet is 1 au away, set the range for say 125,000,000.

6. Check the dscan box to use overview settings (planets, moons, and control towers).

7. Activate dscan, and note the number of towers. Make sure the moons/planets for other planets are not on scan, so you don't get confused.

8. If towers = number of moons, there are no free moons around this planet. Move to the next planet and repeat from step 4. You can get the number of moons from the right-click-in-space menu and selecting the planet to get a list of all the moons.

9. If towers < number of moons, you found a free moon!

NOTE: sometimes it is not possible to anchor at the moon warp-in. You have to leave the grid to anchor. This is often the case when there is a NPC station on the moon. Upon anchoring the tower will snap to a pre-determined spot, typically within 100 km of the moon warp-in.

You must have at least 1 charter for the sovereignty owner in your cargohold to anchor a tower in hisec, and a corporate standing 10 times the security level.

It takes about 10 minutes or less to survey a system. I did half of The Forge in two sessions.
Huttan Funaila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-04-22 20:35:58 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:
What POS I need to get first to start some invention since i see there are many options?
Most people use Caldari because those control towers have more CPU, and labs are CPU hogs (too much internet browsing, I expect). If it is just yourself, a small or medium tower should suffice.

You need anchoring skill to anchor the control tower and the modules. Get at least to anchoring 3, because that is the level needed to anchor ECM arrays. Down the road, you'll want Anchoring 5 so you can get Starbase Defense Management. SDM lets you take control of POS weapons and use them to shoot people attacking your POS. When you read about "POS Gunner" you are reading about someone with Starbase Defense Management skill.

Egravant Alduin wrote:
Can i make a solo corp to install a laboratory ?
Yes, you can make a solo corp. In fact, you cannot be in an NPC corp.
Egravant Alduin wrote:
Can i make a solo corp to install a laboratory ? What s the run cost of a laboratory per month?
The control tower consumes fuel, so the fuel cost is totally determined by the size tower and if it is a faction tower. A large tower eats about 400M/month in fuel, an medium about 200M/month and a small about 100M/month. Faction towers have names like Gurista or Dread Gurista and they consume less fuel per month, but cost so much more than a regular tower that you'll have to run the tower for 2 years to break even. There is some thought that CCP will revamp the POS system and so you might not recover the costs of your fancy pirate faction tower before they finally break down and fix the piece of stuff code that the POS system is cobbled out of.
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/POS_and_YOU

Egravant Alduin wrote:
I must have a high standing with current corp that owns the moon to install a laboratory correct?

To put up a tower requires standings with the faction that owns the system. So if you like a particular Caldari system that has has 0.6 security, your corporation needs 6.0 (or higher) standing with Caldari. 0.7 is the highest security you may anchor a tower in.

You can only use a lab in some other corporation's POS if you are a member of their corporation or alliance.

Egravant Alduin wrote:
Are 0.5 systems safe?

How I know how many laboratories are installed in a moon and if I can install my laboratory there?

To attack your tower in highsec will require someone wardeccing your corporation.

Yes you can make a profit inventing T2 items. Because you need copies, your copy slots will be working all the time. Copy times will be your bottleneck during the invention process.


To see what you can put on your tower (how many labs, etc), use the POS planner:
http://eve.1019.net/pos/index.php
Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#13 - 2013-04-23 07:34:32 UTC
I wonder if there are any free moons in high sec.In the one corporation i have standing i didn't find any.

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Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-04-23 08:48:28 UTC
Plenty. Get 2 or 3 jumps out of the trade hubs (probably more for Jita) and you'll find them.

It's not corp standing you need. It's faction standing to anchor a POS. So Caldari State standings if you want to anchor in Caldari space, Amarr Empire standings if you want to anchor in Amarr space, etc.
Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#15 - 2013-04-23 09:04:33 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Plenty. Get 2 or 3 jumps out of the trade hubs (probably more for Jita) and you'll find them.

It's not corp standing you need. It's faction standing to anchor a POS. So Caldari State standings if you want to anchor in Caldari space, Amarr Empire standings if you want to anchor in Amarr space, etc.



And how i get faction standing?

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Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-04-23 09:13:56 UTC
Running missions (storyline), data centres, epic arc missions, cosmos missions.

Or just use a POS anchoring service.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#17 - 2013-04-23 09:19:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
2. One Control Tower per moon. To find a moon, go to a system, start at the top moon (Planets; planet 1, moon 1) and fly to each one til you find an available moon. OR just blow up someone's already-anchored tower.

(the easy way).



You think I was gonna make this easy for him? Roll

Same setup as you and haulie (although, this relly is only for hisec. Once you start venturing into low/null, the 1 by 1 method works better, because of moongoo ... assuming you're after it).

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#18 - 2013-04-23 10:14:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Egravant Alduin
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Running missions (storyline), data centres, epic arc missions, cosmos missions.

Or just use a POS anchoring service.


I only have good standing with sisters of eve.All the other things you say look chinese to me except storyline missions which I know what they are lol.

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Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-04-23 10:24:57 UTC
Well, I guess you'll be spending some significant time with google then.
Huttan Funaila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-04-23 18:59:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Huttan Funaila
Egravant Alduin wrote:
I wonder if there are any free moons in high sec.In the one corporation i have standing i didn't find any.
You need standing with a faction: Amarr, Caldai, Gallente, Minmatar.

If you are in 0.5 systems near Jita - particularly Lonetrek, you will find that there are a lot of offlined towers and every moon occupied.

You may wish to spend some time reading the Standing Repair Plan.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Faction_Standing_Repair_Plan


This article on theMittani is part 1 and may give some help on planning ahead.
http://themittani.com/features/saiphas-cains-lab-part-one-preparations
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