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[Odyssey] Navy Battlecruisers

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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#361 - 2013-04-18 11:54:14 UTC
Luc Chastot wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
  • Why choosing the Brutix instead of the Myrmidon as a Navy hull?

    • Internal discussion resulted in favor of the Brutix since we felt it represented the Gallente combat doctrine more accurately with close range hybrids. A Myrmidon Navy Issue could also have been problematic to balance without overstepping on the Dominix, Vexor Navy Issue or even turret ships.

    Ytterbium, using the Myrmidon hull does not force you to make it a drone boat. You could perfectly use the Myrm hull with the stats you have here.

    I actually think that Eos should rather use Myrmidon hull since it's going to be dedicated droneboat, or so I heard.

    Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
    seth Hendar
    I love you miners
    #362 - 2013-04-19 09:09:56 UTC
    Barrogh Habalu wrote:
    Luc Chastot wrote:
    CCP Ytterbium wrote:
  • Why choosing the Brutix instead of the Myrmidon as a Navy hull?

    • Internal discussion resulted in favor of the Brutix since we felt it represented the Gallente combat doctrine more accurately with close range hybrids. A Myrmidon Navy Issue could also have been problematic to balance without overstepping on the Dominix, Vexor Navy Issue or even turret ships.

    Ytterbium, using the Myrmidon hull does not force you to make it a drone boat. You could perfectly use the Myrm hull with the stats you have here.

    I actually think that Eos should rather use Myrmidon hull since it's going to be dedicated droneboat, or so I heard.

    i have always thought that the command ship should have used the (at the time) 2 BC hull, like astarte -> brutix, eos -> myrm etc... (same for the other races)

    now, i would have LOVED that the navy BC had been based on myrm (even if not a drone boat, but i would have loved that too)

    in a nutshell, stop screwing gallente, give us another myrm hull, this ship IS the emblematic BC for gallente, not the brutix
    Shpenat
    Ironman Inc.
    Transgress
    #363 - 2013-04-19 09:31:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Shpenat
    seth Hendar wrote:


    i have always thought that the command ship should have used the (at the time) 2 BC hull, like astarte -> brutix, eos -> myrm etc... (same for the other races)

    now, i would have LOVED that the navy BC had been based on myrm (even if not a drone boat, but i would have loved that too)

    in a nutshell, stop screwing gallente, give us another myrm hull, this ship IS the emblematic BC for gallente, not the brutix



    It is mostly matter of personal taste. I love brutix hull much more than myrmidon hull. And Brutix also follows old gallente guideline being nose-heavy.

    Also former tier 2 battlecruisers were introduced after the command ships were in the game. I completely agree that were they introduced now they probably would have different hulls.

    That said, dont touch my drones spamming brutix hull...
    seth Hendar
    I love you miners
    #364 - 2013-04-19 10:20:24 UTC
    Shpenat wrote:
    seth Hendar wrote:


    i have always thought that the command ship should have used the (at the time) 2 BC hull, like astarte -> brutix, eos -> myrm etc... (same for the other races)

    now, i would have LOVED that the navy BC had been based on myrm (even if not a drone boat, but i would have loved that too)

    in a nutshell, stop screwing gallente, give us another myrm hull, this ship IS the emblematic BC for gallente, not the brutix



    It is mostly matter of personal taste. I love brutix hull much more than myrmidon hull. And Brutix also follows old gallente guideline being nose-heavy.

    Also former tier 2 battlecruisers were introduced after the command ships were in the game. I completely agree that were they introduced now they probably would have different hulls.

    That said, dont touch my drones spamming brutix hull...

    but i want a T2 myrm, c'mon, there are already so much "brutix" in that game.... and the BC drone boat for gallente is myrm so....
    X Gallentius
    Black Eagle1
    #365 - 2013-04-19 23:03:00 UTC
    Shpenat wrote:
    That said, dont touch my drones spamming brutix hull...

    So you're the guy who owns the one Eos hull that is actually flown in game.... Big smile
    Jonas Sukarala
    Deep Core Mining Inc.
    Caldari State
    #366 - 2013-04-20 11:21:24 UTC
    considering these are effectively attack bc's all there tracking bonuses and extra mobility these do an uncharacteristic tank considering that
    These are what the T1 attack bc's should be minus the tank .
    The current ABC's talos etc should be T2 specialization.

    'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change?  ..projectiles should use capacitor. ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high

    Recoil IV
    Caldari Provisions
    Caldari State
    #367 - 2013-04-21 15:57:23 UTC
    So the harbinger gets 50% dmg AND a tracking bonus, the brutix gets 50% dmg AND a tracking bonus, the hurricane gets.... 25% ROF, 25% dmg..... something seem off here?
    Luc Chastot
    #368 - 2013-04-21 16:12:04 UTC
    Recoil IV wrote:
    So the harbinger gets 50% dmg AND a tracking bonus, the brutix gets 50% dmg AND a tracking bonus, the hurricane gets.... 25% ROF, 25% dmg..... something seem off here?

    What is off? RoF bonuses are way better than damage bonuses.

    Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.

    Veshta Yoshida
    PIE Inc.
    Khimi Harar
    #369 - 2013-04-21 17:01:43 UTC
    Recoil IV wrote:
    So the harbinger gets 50% dmg AND a tracking bonus, the brutix gets 50% dmg AND a tracking bonus, the hurricane gets.... 25% ROF, 25% dmg..... something seem off here?

    RoF/Dam on Hurricane equates to a 66.67% dps increase, bring bigger ammo stacks though because RoF + Autos will bleed you dry right quick Smile

    Pretty sure the 50% damage + tracking option was discarded for the Cane as that would just encourage massive artillery abuse to a point where med AC market collapse (slight exaggeration for effect).
    Sylvous
    Bigger than Jesus
    #370 - 2013-04-21 21:05:20 UTC
    Veshta Yoshida wrote:
    Recoil IV wrote:
    So the harbinger gets 50% dmg AND a tracking bonus, the brutix gets 50% dmg AND a tracking bonus, the hurricane gets.... 25% ROF, 25% dmg..... something seem off here?

    RoF/Dam on Hurricane equates to a 66.67% dps increase, bring bigger ammo stacks though because RoF + Autos will bleed you dry right quick Smile

    Pretty sure the 50% damage + tracking option was discarded for the Cane as that would just encourage massive artillery abuse to a point where med AC market collapse (slight exaggeration for effect).


    I'll take a 25% ROF bonus, tracking bonus and a 7th gun!

    Yeah its less DPS than the current iteration, but the flexibility in having tracking makes up for it IMHO.

    :)
    Veshta Yoshida
    PIE Inc.
    Khimi Harar
    #371 - 2013-04-21 22:48:48 UTC
    Sylvous wrote:
    I'll take a 25% ROF bonus, tracking bonus and a 7th gun!

    Yeah its less DPS than the current iteration, but the flexibility in having tracking makes up for it IMHO.

    :)

    BC sized SFI .. not sure that is a good idea .. pretty sure it would be rather unbalanced Big smile
    Naomi Anthar
    #372 - 2013-04-21 22:52:46 UTC
    Honestly i would like that 4 mid and 7 low harbinger more with 10% hp bonus per level. Not sure harbinger needs 5 mids. I mean sure extra cap booster is nice and all but i think 1 was good enough. Other than that i like those ships. +1
    Jonas Sukarala
    Deep Core Mining Inc.
    Caldari State
    #373 - 2013-04-22 10:25:58 UTC
    Naomi Anthar wrote:
    Honestly i would like that 4 mid and 7 low harbinger more with 10% hp bonus per level. Not sure harbinger needs 5 mids. I mean sure extra cap booster is nice and all but i think 1 was good enough. Other than that i like those ships. +1



    Honestly that sounds massively OP the tank it would have.

    'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change?  ..projectiles should use capacitor. ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high

    Kagura Nikon
    Native Freshfood
    Minmatar Republic
    #374 - 2013-04-22 10:28:36 UTC
    Recoil IV wrote:
    So the harbinger gets 50% dmg AND a tracking bonus, the brutix gets 50% dmg AND a tracking bonus, the hurricane gets.... 25% ROF, 25% dmg..... something seem off here?



    The HUrricane is far far far inferior to the other Navy cruisers. It got its only slot back but not all its old PG. So it basically cannot fit properly that slot.

    Its simply a wasted time and effort that ship. The masses of whiners cryign nerf nerf nerf to minmatar on these years made that.. made CCP as ALWAYS overreact.

    "If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
    Naomi Knight
    Ministry of War
    Amarr Empire
    #375 - 2013-04-22 10:33:00 UTC
    Kagura Nikon wrote:
    Recoil IV wrote:
    So the harbinger gets 50% dmg AND a tracking bonus, the brutix gets 50% dmg AND a tracking bonus, the hurricane gets.... 25% ROF, 25% dmg..... something seem off here?



    The HUrricane is far far far inferior to the other Navy cruisers. It got its only slot back but not all its old PG. So it basically cannot fit properly that slot.

    Its simply a wasted time and effort that ship. The masses of whiners cryign nerf nerf nerf to minmatar on these years made that.. made CCP as ALWAYS overreact.

    whinematard stfu
    Kagura Nikon
    Native Freshfood
    Minmatar Republic
    #376 - 2013-04-22 15:34:28 UTC
    Naomi Knight wrote:
    Kagura Nikon wrote:
    Recoil IV wrote:
    So the harbinger gets 50% dmg AND a tracking bonus, the brutix gets 50% dmg AND a tracking bonus, the hurricane gets.... 25% ROF, 25% dmg..... something seem off here?



    The HUrricane is far far far inferior to the other Navy cruisers. It got its only slot back but not all its old PG. So it basically cannot fit properly that slot.

    Its simply a wasted time and effort that ship. The masses of whiners cryign nerf nerf nerf to minmatar on these years made that.. made CCP as ALWAYS overreact.

    whinematard stfu



    Very insightful and very loaded with knowledge and arguments you answer is. No wonder you are not taken seriously .

    "If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
    Naomi Anthar
    #377 - 2013-04-22 15:49:12 UTC
    Kagura Nikon wrote:
    Naomi Knight wrote:
    Kagura Nikon wrote:
    Recoil IV wrote:
    So the harbinger gets 50% dmg AND a tracking bonus, the brutix gets 50% dmg AND a tracking bonus, the hurricane gets.... 25% ROF, 25% dmg..... something seem off here?



    The HUrricane is far far far inferior to the other Navy cruisers. It got its only slot back but not all its old PG. So it basically cannot fit properly that slot.

    Its simply a wasted time and effort that ship. The masses of whiners cryign nerf nerf nerf to minmatar on these years made that.. made CCP as ALWAYS overreact.

    whinematard stfu



    Very insightful and very loaded with knowledge and arguments you answer is. No wonder you are not taken seriously .


    On the other hand it wasn't very insightful but ... it was correct. How long it must go that minmatar ships must be best in every single aspect in this game. Time to enjoy a bit Losematarness for once.
    Naomi Anthar
    #378 - 2013-04-22 15:52:58 UTC
    Jonas Sukarala wrote:
    Naomi Anthar wrote:
    Honestly i would like that 4 mid and 7 low harbinger more with 10% hp bonus per level. Not sure harbinger needs 5 mids. I mean sure extra cap booster is nice and all but i think 1 was good enough. Other than that i like those ships. +1



    Honestly that sounds massively OP the tank it would have.


    Yeah i agree , that's why i said i'm happy anyway. That was just "it would be cool". Maybe don't bring 10% hp bonus , leave tracking but give it 7 th low instead of 5th mid. I cannot be only one that would enjoy such change ;). But it's not like world gonna colapse if he will go live like that. It's not bad.
    X Gallentius
    Black Eagle1
    #379 - 2013-04-22 19:51:45 UTC
    Kagura Nikon wrote:
    Naomi Knight wrote:
    Kagura Nikon wrote:
    Recoil IV wrote:
    So the harbinger gets 50% dmg AND a tracking bonus, the brutix gets 50% dmg AND a tracking bonus, the hurricane gets.... 25% ROF, 25% dmg..... something seem off here?
    The HUrricane is far far far inferior to the other Navy cruisers. It got its only slot back but not all its old PG. So it basically cannot fit properly that slot. Its simply a wasted time and effort that ship. The masses of whiners cryign nerf nerf nerf to minmatar on these years made that.. made CCP as ALWAYS overreact.

    whinematard stfu
    Very insightful and very loaded with knowledge and arguments you answer is. No wonder you are not taken seriously .
    It must suck that the Navy Cane can nuet out the Harb and Brutix if it gets close enough (which it can, because it's faster than the other two). Carry on.
    Krell Kroenen
    The Devil's Shadow
    #380 - 2013-04-22 20:48:11 UTC
    X Gallentius wrote:
    Kagura Nikon wrote:
    Naomi Knight wrote:
    Kagura Nikon wrote:
    Recoil IV wrote:
    So the harbinger gets 50% dmg AND a tracking bonus, the brutix gets 50% dmg AND a tracking bonus, the hurricane gets.... 25% ROF, 25% dmg..... something seem off here?
    The HUrricane is far far far inferior to the other Navy cruisers. It got its only slot back but not all its old PG. So it basically cannot fit properly that slot. Its simply a wasted time and effort that ship. The masses of whiners cryign nerf nerf nerf to minmatar on these years made that.. made CCP as ALWAYS overreact.

    whinematard stfu
    Very insightful and very loaded with knowledge and arguments you answer is. No wonder you are not taken seriously .
    It must suck that the Navy Cane can nuet out the Harb and Brutix if it gets close enough (which it can, because it's faster than the other two). Carry on.



    It lacks the Cap and PG of the old cane so that isn't very likely