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Maximus Hashur
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2013-04-18 16:25:19 UTC
penifSMASH wrote:
100% agreed with the OP.

They should also include my non-command ship Squad Commander on the killmail for passing me bonuses with all 5s leadership and allowing me great victor. Also put my scout alt on the killmail for sitting on the other side of the gate and providing eyes. The titan pilot that bridged our fleet should be rewarded by being on the killmail too. Last but not least please include Mom on the km for cooking me dinner and letting me live in the basement rent-free and my state government for the monthly unemployment checks.



Another post where the person is not seeing the point I raise. I don't care about the scout, or the titan bridge pilot that got the attacking force to the war zone----unless those pilots are actively engaged with the actual fight itself.

1. what ship or ships are locking me or my fellow fleet members
2. what affects do those ship have going for them. A loki boosted fleet has great advantage over a non loki boosted fleet.

This fact should very simply be recorded on any resulting KM and in the battle summary itself.

Ill say it again - Those arguing with this are pilots who have gone down the road of needing booster alts to win and cant hack it otherwise. I suggest to each of those pilots to leave their booster alt at home for a few weeks and engage completely solo in their best unbonused ship. I think you will start to gain a bit of understanding with what im saying after a few serious losses, where before you would have won.....with your ace in the hole.

Looked up...saw this F***ING clown dropping like a rock.  Woke up in Vylade wondering what just happened!!!
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-04-18 18:41:59 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Princess Nexxala wrote:
Agree with OP , boost bitches can suck it P

We will never see anything except a mild nerf to T3 boosts, they will stay off grid and not much will change except maybe more use of command ships. Removing the off grid ability will NEVER happen, CCP like any smart company will not do anything that will lower their profit. Thousands of accounts will be canceled if they do.


People used that same argument before Falcons got nerfed too.

Falcons got nerfed, not removed.
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#43 - 2013-04-18 18:58:47 UTC
Sorry this conversation isn't really geared toward folks that use to having 100+ people on all their killmails. Therefore your opinion is invalid.

penifSMASH wrote:


They should also include my non-command ship Squad Commander on the killmail for passing me bonuses with all 5s leadership and allowing me great victor. Also put my scout alt on the killmail for sitting on the other side of the gate and providing eyes. The titan pilot that bridged our fleet should be rewarded by being on the killmail too. Last but not least please include Mom on the km for cooking me dinner and letting me live in the basement rent-free and my state government for the monthly unemployment checks.

nom nom
Andre Vauban
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2013-04-18 19:35:57 UTC
I think all the OP was asking for is that if you are being boosted by anything with an active Gang Assist Module/Link and you get the final blow on anything, then that ship should show up on the killmail as 0 damage with the weapon being one of the link modules. This isn't too much detail, doesn't reveal to much intel, and most importantly it doesn't change the data format of the killmail in any way.

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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#45 - 2013-04-18 19:44:41 UTC
Quote:
Falcons got nerfed, not removed.


Fozzie wants to nerf boosting, not remove it.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#46 - 2013-04-18 21:15:28 UTC
penifSMASH wrote:
100% agreed with the OP.

They should also include my non-command ship Squad Commander on the killmail for passing me bonuses with all 5s leadership and allowing me great victor. Also put my scout alt on the killmail for sitting on the other side of the gate and providing eyes. The titan pilot that bridged our fleet should be rewarded by being on the killmail too. Last but not least please include Mom on the km for cooking me dinner and letting me live in the basement rent-free and my state government for the monthly unemployment checks.



Its the ships that are part of the combat. Not the skills. If you get edges because of skills that is something killmails do not even try to cover. But if you get assistance from modules on ships then killmails should cover them.

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Euasked
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2013-04-18 22:14:55 UTC
I too make a forum thread everytime I lose a thrasher to :unfair: stuffs. And lol at OP implying that killmails are supposed to be some objective record or source of Intel, lazy scrublord ...
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#48 - 2013-04-18 22:20:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Muad 'dib
If you take a fight with a player that you assume is the same as you, no pirate sets no hardwires t1 fit with low SP and you die who cares what it was that made you so easy to beat.

if you are all 5's with a pirate set and no booster and you fight a t1 guy with a OGB and you lose, was it a fair fight? Who the funk cares, who ever lost was worse at eve - deal with it.

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Maximus Hashur
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-04-19 04:04:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Hashur
Euasked wrote:
I too make a forum thread everytime I lose a thrasher to :unfair: stuffs. And lol at OP implying that killmails are supposed to be some objective record or source of Intel, lazy scrublord ...


Actually that is exactly what a kill mail is. A record of the kill and all of the participants of the engagement.

What do you think it is?

Looked up...saw this F***ING clown dropping like a rock.  Woke up in Vylade wondering what just happened!!!
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#50 - 2013-04-19 05:07:03 UTC
Maximus Hashur wrote:
Euasked wrote:
I too make a forum thread everytime I lose a thrasher to :unfair: stuffs. And lol at OP implying that killmails are supposed to be some objective record or source of Intel, lazy scrublord ...


Actually that is exactly what a kill mail is. A record of the kill and all of the participants of the engagement.

What do you think it is?


A killmail lacks a lot more information than it contains. Its more of a brief statement than a story.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#51 - 2013-04-19 13:03:56 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Maximus Hashur wrote:
Euasked wrote:
I too make a forum thread everytime I lose a thrasher to :unfair: stuffs. And lol at OP implying that killmails are supposed to be some objective record or source of Intel, lazy scrublord ...


Actually that is exactly what a kill mail is. A record of the kill and all of the participants of the engagement.

What do you think it is?


A killmail lacks a lot more information than it contains. Its more of a brief statement than a story.


In as far as it is reasonably possible the kill mails show what ships contributed to.the kill. With two exceptions:
1) it doest show boosts
2) it doest show repps.

IMO both exceptions should be fixed.

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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#52 - 2013-04-20 14:31:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Cearain wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Maximus Hashur wrote:
Euasked wrote:
I too make a forum thread everytime I lose a thrasher to :unfair: stuffs. And lol at OP implying that killmails are supposed to be some objective record or source of Intel, lazy scrublord ...


Actually that is exactly what a kill mail is. A record of the kill and all of the participants of the engagement.

What do you think it is?


A killmail lacks a lot more information than it contains. Its more of a brief statement than a story.


In as far as it is reasonably possible the kill mails show what ships contributed to.the kill. With two exceptions:
1) it doest show boosts
2) it doest show repps.

IMO both exceptions should be fixed.


It isnt a big deal though is it? Everyone knows who has and has not got boosts. If people want to pretend they are not using them when they are, that just makes them look like idiots. Why do you want CCP to make a change to KM's to tell you what you should already know?

Id rather they sort out the few suggested tweaks to plexes, which will actually improve gameplay/flow instead of inconsequential things designed to nurse bruised egos and hurt butts.
Maximus Hashur
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-04-20 18:42:20 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Maximus Hashur wrote:
Euasked wrote:
I too make a forum thread everytime I lose a thrasher to :unfair: stuffs. And lol at OP implying that killmails are supposed to be some objective record or source of Intel, lazy scrublord ...


Actually that is exactly what a kill mail is. A record of the kill and all of the participants of the engagement.

What do you think it is?


A killmail lacks a lot more information than it contains. Its more of a brief statement than a story.


In as far as it is reasonably possible the kill mails show what ships contributed to.the kill. With two exceptions:
1) it doest show boosts
2) it doest show repps.

IMO both exceptions should be fixed.


It isnt a big deal though is it? Everyone knows who has and has not got boosts. If people want to pretend they are not using them when they are, that just makes them look like idiots. Why do you want CCP to make a change to KM's to tell you what you should already know?

Id rather they sort out the few suggested tweaks to plexes, which will actually improve gameplay/flow instead of inconsequential things designed to nurse bruised egos and hurt butts.



How is a person supposed to know who has boosts and who does not? In a purely random "roam" whether solo or in a fleet?

Looked up...saw this F***ING clown dropping like a rock.  Woke up in Vylade wondering what just happened!!!
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#54 - 2013-04-21 03:23:39 UTC
Good idea OP. Plain common sense.

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#55 - 2013-04-21 15:12:23 UTC
Maximus Hashur wrote:



How is a person supposed to know who has boosts and who does not? In a purely random "roam" whether solo or in a fleet?




This.

There are only a few hard tells. Such as web and scram/disruptor range. Even there you sometimes have to assume he isn't faction fit so to know for sure you need to kill them.

If I am not chewing through tank as fast as i should is it do to transversal? Range? ewar? implants? boosters such as blue pill or exile or extinct? Or am I just underestimating the persons fit/skills/ship? Its hard to know.

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#56 - 2013-04-21 17:43:33 UTC
I always thought the Kill Reports were there so you could figure out what worked, what didn't work, and then work to improve. Maybe that was the original concept, but adding in OGBs to the killmails would be nice not only for intel pruposes, but also so you know "why" you lost to a ship you know you have beaten in the past.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#57 - 2013-04-24 15:01:40 UTC
Its interesting to see many people who use booster alts initially claim they don't care if the boosters are on the killmail or not. Then they proceed to make numerous posts trying to argue against adding them. They want to keep their invisible blob of t3s off the record. And keep the killmails misleading.

Flying through faction war space its getting to the point where I see more t3s on dscan that combat ships.

CCP claims that they want to do away with OGBs but they don't have the technical know how. Yet at every phase they buff them. T2 links, buffs to active tanks, buffs to missile kiting platforms. I'm starting to question ccp's word on this one.

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ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#58 - 2013-04-24 22:15:59 UTC
in b4 cearain crys for a notification of OGB too ..... ;)

from what i got talking to a few devs on sisi is there having a hard tiome making boosts work under AOE rather thanb just newere in system and until they get that right the wont be touched

BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#59 - 2013-04-24 22:42:37 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Its interesting to see many people who use booster alts initially claim they don't care if the boosters are on the killmail or not. Then they proceed to make numerous posts trying to argue against adding them. They want to keep their invisible blob of t3s off the record. And keep the killmails misleading.

Flying through faction war space its getting to the point where I see more t3s on dscan that combat ships.

CCP claims that they want to do away with OGBs but they don't have the technical know how. Yet at every phase they buff them. T2 links, buffs to active tanks, buffs to missile kiting platforms. I'm starting to question ccp's word on this one.


All killmails are misleading.
LooknSee
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2013-04-25 00:20:24 UTC
Quick! Let's preserve the honour and dignity of the killmail system!